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37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

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Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:25 pm
by amnal
White knows that his opponent's corner is incomplete, but plans to strengthen it by living nearby on the second line during the opening?

Doesn't sound like such a good plan to me...

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:23 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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According to plan. This is the first move I've been able to accurately predict from my opponent. Let's see if he connects.

Now, let me think ... too often I simply follow a plan without re-evaluating the board. What if I left the local area and played another big move?

I keep thinking about Bill Spight's "When in doubt, tenuki." There's wisdom in that. What happens in the local situation?

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[go]$$Wcm14 White tenuki at W16
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$$ | . . . . . . X O 1 . . 5 4 6 . . . . . |
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That looks alive ... either I make small life, or I jump out to the center. Wow. I can deal with that.

What if Black presses down instead?

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[go]$$Wcm14 White tenuki with W16
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$$ | . . . . . . X O 1 . . 9 . 7 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 2 X . O 5 0 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 4 6 . . . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I finish with a move at a, I'm positive I have enough space for two eyes. This is a more likely sequence of moves, as Black seals me in completely. However, In exchange, I can take yet another big point.

Where should I move next, then? Let's look at the whole board ...

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[go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Four possible big points. What are the merits of each?

Note to all observers: PLEASE ask questions if you want to know more about anything. I talk a lot about different ideas in this post, and I'm trying to keep to a reasonable level of generality. Things like Direction of Play are also new ideas for me, so I find it difficult to explain my thoughts without direct questions.

A) Left side. Once again, to make up for the influence I'm giving to my opponent, I want to play high to try and limit that potential. D10 is far enough away from his influence to be relatively safe (as safe as a single stone can be), and it will help me when it comes time to press down against what will undoubtedly be a fairly large corner in the upper left. The downside to moving here is that there's no reason for Black to respond at all. Black can play around R12 to both attack my Q10 stone and further secure his weak corner. Black can also approach my 3-4 and jump right into the middle of my growing influence. Still, I'm leaning towards this move as a countermeasure to the influence Black has already built. The remaining direction of play for his upper left corner is (theoretically) down the left side. Black will want to be able to play as far away from his influence as possible, so placing a stone on D10, an ideal point for a Black stone, I'm looking to counter his influence and build a little of my own. Currently, this feels like the best move.

B) Low Chinese formation. It would be interesting to play something like this aw White. Black plays it often for a reason ... it's very flexible. It loosely protects the 3-4 at C4, it's a good distance from my growing framework on the lower right, and is difficult to attack without strengthening me on some part of the board. The downside is that there are numerous known ways to deal with a Chinese formation. In particular, Black can press down on the left side (likely with a move around C7), extending far from his own thickness in the upper left. That would be a very good use for his thickness. I don't think the timing is right for L3.

C) Complete the shimari. This move is solid, no question. It also gives black no easy ways to invade, as there is no longer any easy approach to the 3-4 stone. Again, the idea is to play a move that Black would like to get himself. However, Black can respond to the shimari at E3 with a light move at F4 to handily press down on my framework, or take C10 or D10, extending from his own influence and stealing a move in the direction of play that the shimari is facing towards. Still, it takes solid profit. The problem is I need to watch that I don't give up too much influence in exchange for my territory. Right now, I still don't think I want to complete this corner yet.

D) Attack the upper right corner. I put this as an option, but it seems too early for this. All I would be doing is pushing Black into my weak group. I have no desire to do this right now, even though it is a big approach, and will squish the corner into a smaller space. If I get the option later, I will take it, but I expect Black to make a move at R12 before I get to come back to this area. That fight can wait until things are a little clearer about who wants what on the board.

So, if Black connects (which I expect him to do ... though I'm prepared to be surprised if he does not) I will tenuki (likely to D10), leaving my weak group yet again to the mercies of the two "strong" Black groups. If Black continues to attack, all he's doing is settling my stones for me. By then, I hope to have made using his influence difficult for him.

One possible game continuation from here (using a joseki I know vaguely that would at least suit me ... who knows what my opponent might choose to do?):

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[go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 7 6 . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . 5 . . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this continuation, Black doesn't continue to harass the White group up top. I'm not sure if Black should continue the attack or not. As shown above, the group is not easily contained or killed.

I wonder what effect my constant tenuki plays will have on my opponent? Will he be happy to take his wall of stones, even though I got two big points out of it?

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:28 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm15 Move 15 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm really wondering if this is the right shape here. I also considered the tiger's mouth at g16. However, this still leaves just as many forcing moves.

After I see how he responds, I'll take a look on what areas of the board are interesting.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:41 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I think that might be a small mistake by Black. He left a cutting point. It's not exploitable directly, but later I may be able to exploit it by playing at F16. If he tries to enclose me, the clamp at F18 suddenly works. I have to watch for the right timing though, because if he defends the cut in response, I have to jump out. So, F16 is a move for early in the middle-game, I think ... if it stays viable.

My choice of move hasn't changed. Let's see if I was wrong, and see if my opponent finds a way to kill me up top. That would be embarassing, but likely not the end of the game. I've played two very big plays. So long as I don't die in gote, I will get a third big move if the group dies, plus likely a number of threats for a later ko.

Yeah, yeah, I know ... what happened to the idea of a calm game? To be honest, this is probably calmer than most of my online games. I'm thinking about the board position BEFORE playing. ;) Guess I'm just not that kind of player.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:51 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm playing a distant approach because otherwise a tight pincer is too good. It would run me into the stone he just played. I'm playing high because he has a lot of high stones. He's playing for a moyo, it seems. This high move should help reduce the amount he can get. Also, I know absolutely no joseki for this. I guess I'll have to read :o

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:21 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm18 Move 18 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I applaud my opponent. This move is something I'm not as prepared to face. Maybe I should be, but I really don't see it all that often. I know a few joseki for it, but I am far from mastering the variations.

However, it's time to take some profit. I've got outposts on D10 and Q10 set to reduce any influence he might build up, and my Q4 stone is still untouched. I need to offset the difference in territory now. Taking the corner solidly gives me my first real piece of (reasonably) unassailable territory. Black has a solid shimari of his own, plus a solid extension from that shimari. If you add a few points for my top group, I'm still behind in that respect, but I have positions across the board. IF I can use my stones effectively, I should be ahead by the end of the game. The trouble comes when it becomes time to use those stones ... an aspect of my game that is sometimes lacking.

Anyways, a quick estimate of territory ...

Black:
Upper Left - 25 points
Upper Right - 16 points (I'm being generous, I think, but it's early on, so the estimate is rough)

White:
Lower Left - 12 points
Top - 4 points (I'm guessing low here, I think, but not by more than a few points)
Komi - 6.5

So, in territory, I'm behind by about 20 points. I need to make my influence work for me to make up the difference.

I need to watch for opportunities for more big tenuki plays. This game is probably going to be decided by who has a better idea of how to use the whole board, not just local fights.

I love this game. :)

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:35 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm18 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

We're going to transpose into a one space high approach joseki. I have a better grasp of these. I've also avoided the pincer. I'm going to consider this a success for me.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:50 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm20 Move 20 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A nice, big corner for me, and I'm not going to be closed in. Good enough. He's kept me from growing a huge moyo ... but we can't be too greedy in this game. Right now I'm going to take what territory he's letting me take and keep an eye on the center to make sure he's not surrounding it completely.

Whole-board thinking is tough, and balancing territory and influence is still difficult for me. I need to keep calm and make sure I don't jump off any metaphorical cliffs.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:54 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm21 Move 21 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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When I said this would transpose, I was wrong. This is another possibility. He'll descend, and then I'll play the side star point.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:04 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm22 Move 22 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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And the sequence is over. Where will Black play next?

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:39 pm
by ketchup
Marcus wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm12 Move 12 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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For kibitz discussion,

Can be this be called white's mistake here? It's basically enforcing black to become stronger on essentially both sides. White says here, "Hi, I want to live small and crowded, please help me do so". In which case, I would recommend a move at n15 to jump out. Since there is much aji in the corner, there's no reason to play the life move right now that ends in gote.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:47 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Ketchup, I agree with you if you reverse the words "black" and "white", which you seem to have gotten backwards.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:06 pm
by ketchup
Dusk Eagle wrote:
Ketchup, I agree with you if you reverse the words "black" and "white", which you seem to have gotten backwards.


Haha, yes you are right. I did. Fixed in original post. Thanks duskeagle

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:51 pm
by Redundant
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm23 Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Getting a base. Playing high to help against his high stones.

Re: Malkovich #37 Redundant (4k) vs Marcus (4k)

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:12 pm
by cyclops
I like to watch this game. Nice explanations.
kibitzers:
this last move is not in Yoshio Ishida's Basic joseki
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