lovelove wrote:About a month ago, I had a chance to play a simultaneous game with Yun Junsang 9p. I placed five handicap stones and lost by five points.
I think Robert you are a horribly weak player compared to pro strength. You also lost with me in 18? points, in a KGS game, if I remember correctly. Pro's also make mistakes in reading and endgame, but they are just nothing compared to mistakes that you make in KGS 4 dan level. I never studied your games, but your rank tells your strength, quality of your moves.
1) Earlier you wrote "pro", now you write "9p". Of course, there is a difference between handicap needed "at least" against any pro and handicap needed "at least" against 9p. Ok, now it seems that you mean playing against 9p.
2) By experience, when playing real world games against 9p, I need at least 3 stones to have a good winning chance. My experience of such or similar games is only a small sample, so the exact number of handicap stones I need "at least" in real world games cannot be determined exactly.
3) Compared to real world games, I am - on average - "horribly weak" in go server games because byoyomi games is my weakest time setting and because of several other reasons (including escaping opponents, playing too much when tired etc.). In particular, my blunder rate in KGS games is the one I had as a real world ca. 3 kyu player.
4) When you compare my playing strength to pros, then you do not refer to 9p, but suddenly you appear to refer to any pros? IOW, you choose whichever most shocking reference you can find to support whichever argument you construct. Be serious by stating clearly which pros you mean for comparison! Clearly, you do not mean Taiwanese 1p, don't you?
5) It is quite possible that I lost to you by 18 points or whatever. Do you use one particular game to judge? Ridiculous! Everybody knows that different games can produce different results. Magicwand also cried that I would be a "very weak" players. If I used your style of argument, I could refer to a single particular game against him, in which I crushed him terribly. But... such ridiculous arguments are not my discussion style. Presumably "lovelove" on KGS is you; if so, then in the one game against me played recently, you had a good strategy. But so what - it is just one game. On that, you want to conclude that, because you need H5 against 9p, I would need H6 against 9p? I suggest you improve your handicap games!
6) Handicap games are a very weak reference. I do not exercise them for the sake at becoming particular strong at them because I prefer to play even games. (There are fun exceptions such as H9 versus 130 komi games against 5d opponents.)
7) The big mistakes I make on KGS I do not make in real world tournament games. You can criticise my relatively weak KGS play - but to conclude from that about my general playing ability is ridiculous.
8) Since you stress my KGS 4d rank, you should also stress that, at other times, I have KGS 5d rank. You do not even attempt to make fair statements, but you only pick the low examples. Why not instead pick the high examples and praise me for my current 2nd place in European 13x13 Championship?
9) As long as the KGS rating system punishes regular players, rewards partial escapers and allows real world 3d to occasionaly become KGS 9d, all arguments related to KGS ranks are dubious.
10) My KGS rank does not tell you my strength / weakness or the quality or missing quality of my moves but it tells you a mixture of rating system design, tiredness, escaping opponents and my move mistakes when playing on KGS.
11) Are you, on average, so relatively weak that you need to hide your real name?
12) Why do you meta-discuss me instead of discussing my games and moves? We could both learn from the latter!
