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Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:37 pm
by deepgreen
My shipment arrived from Kurokigoishi (KGT)
in Japan. Here's some of my first
pics of my new Hon-Kaya 2.1 Sun (6.3cm)
board & Size 38 (10.7mm) std grade clam
shell go stones...

They packed it very well. Solid
HonKaya wood - sure is heavy.

In addition to the picture below, here's
a couple more you might be interested in.

To view these two, click "show" below:

Clam Shell Go Stones:
clam shell go stones, Size 38 (10.7mm)
clam shell go stones, Size 38 (10.7mm)
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Stones, Bowl & Board:
one of my bowls ...
one of my bowls ...
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Hon-Kaya Board - 6.3cm 2.1 sun:

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:34 pm
by Bonobo
Thanks for the photos, deepgreen.

Now I’m totally envious. Again. I shouldn’t check such threads.

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:54 pm
by bogiesan
Excellent, thanks for closing the thread and a big thanks for the photos of your exquisite set. Now, go play go.

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:57 pm
by palapiku
so creamy

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:34 am
by EdLee
deepgreen, a few of the slate stones look strange -- why are they tilted like that?
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I have the same set from Kuroki: size 38 standard grade, and all of my shell and slate stones lie flat, not tilted like the ones marked.
Maybe you could email Mr. Kuroki with a photo of the tilted stones and ask him.
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Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:42 am
by tchan001
Are the lines of the board raised slightly above the wood surface? If so, it's normal for a well made Japanese board where the lines are made with lacquer drawn on top of the board surface without damaging the surface.
See this old thread: viewtopic.php?f=19&p=14041

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:36 pm
by deepgreen
tchan001 - Yes, it's the lines (not the stones). The first & second pictures below show
the same two stones, just slightly repositioned. The lacquered lines (and hoshi) are slightly
raised (which I was happy to read, is a good thing). If I move the stones completely off the
lines, they're even more level than pictured.

EdLee - thanks for your comments too. I was going to order size 36 stones but a few of your
posts here on the forum inspired me to go for size 38 - glad I did, they've got a GREAT feel!

I've added a few additional pics below that show:

1) how the stones get "level" by moving them slightly off the raised lines
2) A neat picture of the bowls, along with the Tatami (Japanese straw mat) I got for the board.
3) View of my board showing the "front" wood grain.

Click "show" to view them:

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Tatami mat for Board (Straw mat)
Tatami mat for Board (Straw mat)
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Front side of board
Front side of board
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tchan001 wrote:Are the lines of the board raised slightly above the wood surface? If so, it's normal for a well made Japanese board where the lines are made with lacquer drawn on top of the board surface without damaging the surface.
See this old thread: viewtopic.php?f=19&p=14041


tchan001 wrote:It's a good sign when the lines and hoshi is elevated. It means that the ink was probably applied on top of the wood so that the wood isn't damaged at all. Usually the application of lacquer with a sword-like implementation is a sign of fine Japanese craftsmanship. It's much nicer than silk screened version and far far superior to versions which are actually grooves cut into the wood.

EdLee wrote:deepgreen, a few of the slate stones look strange -- why are they tilted like that?
The attachment tilted.jpg is no longer available
I have the same set from Kuroki: size 38 standard grade, and all of my shell and slate stones lie flat, not tilted like the ones marked. Maybe you could email Mr. Kuroki with a photo of the tilted stones and ask him.
The attachment tilted2.jpg is no longer available

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:19 pm
by EdLee
deepgreen wrote:I was going to order size 36 stones but a few of your
posts here on the forum inspired me to go for size 38 - glad I did, they've got a GREAT feel!
Yea, they're amazing. :mrgreen:
I'm still curious about the tilted stones -- is it, as tchan mentioned, because the grid lines are slightly 3D, thus pushing up the stones ? :)
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Do you know their technique or process to wax the shell stones to make them so shiny like that?

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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:56 pm
by deepgreen
You are correct, as Tchan mentioned the lacquered grid lines are slightly 3d. If you
look at the picture below, it's the same "2 stones" ... you see how tilted they
look in the first picture. All I did was move them slightly off the grid lines,
and they straightened out. If I were to move them even further off the lines,
they're even more straight. I believe the grid lines become less "3d" with play,
but initially they're supposed to be 3d, as it's part of their process of how the
laquer is applied with the Katana. Click "show" to view:

same 2 stones ... different placement
same 2 stones ... different placement
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I too was struck by how shiny they are. Here's their process:

"We polish Go Stones for about 6 hours in a special barrel, paying close attention to the
volume of water used, taking into consideration the weather, size, and amount of Go Stones."

Also ... they're inspection process for EACH stone is pretty amazing. Have a look at this:

"Any stone which is not the same as the Master Stone, lacks stability, or has a shape that
doesn't suit the hands will be strictly removed as not suitable. A stone that meets the
criterion has well balanced roundness according to its size, a nice smooth surface which
fits in the hands, a beautiful side line with no damage, and a perfect shape to fully
satisfy the player's eyes, ears, and fingers:
http://www.kurokigoishi.co.jp/english/s ... aster.html

And this:

"Each stone goes through a 3-month, 24 stage process and every craftsman
touches it at least once, sees it with their own eyes, talks to it, and turns
it into a Go Stone that is capable of expressing the thoughts of the Go player"

"After this process Go Stones will make clear sound when rubbed against each other
and will feel nice in the player's hands."

It's an amazing company. They really take pride in the quality of their product.

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:06 am
by Dokuganryu
I'm partially blind to the beauty of such boards or stones, but these bowls blow me away :bow:

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:50 pm
by csobod
Hey deepgreen, can you hide those photos? Interested parties could still un-hide them, and it'd be easier on those of us that are reading the dialogue in this thread. Just a suggestion, and thanks for the awesome pics!

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:14 am
by deepgreen
Absolutely, thank you for the suggestion. All my pictures
on this page (page 2) of the thread are now hidden.

csobod wrote:Hey deepgreen, can you hide those photos? Interested parties could still un-hide them, and it'd be easier on those of us that are reading the dialogue in this thread. Just a suggestion, and thanks for the awesome pics!

Re: Buying A Better Goban - Help Me Decide?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:00 pm
by jts
3d grid lines!? Just imagine how strong the wood itself must be...