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#210 Magicwand vs Emerus

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Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:33 pm
by emerus
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Ahh, so the game begins. With the handicap, I shouldn't fear fighting. I'll try to stick to my fundamentals as we battle, especially in close fighting.

Here, I have two stones that could use some help so there are two considerations. Which stone is weaker? And where can I profit? I think I'd answer the corner stone for both.

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:44 pm
by Magicwand
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sofar i dont see any mistake from my opponent...

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:14 pm
by emerus
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This kind of move gives me troubles. I get so eager to let my opponent know that it's too wide of an extension that I overplay and muck things up when instead, I can simply let the aji of the two space jump fester while keeping white behind enemy lines.

The only other move that stood out to me was f17 but I could come up with no plan to deal with an invasion.

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:18 am
by Magicwand
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solid move by my opponent...but sooner or later he will have to fight

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:24 pm
by emerus
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Now I think that's too far.

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This seems like the natural shape by white, but the outlook still isn't promising. He is just trying to complicate things to confuse me. This strategy might work but for now, I think I need to fight strongly and cut.

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:35 pm
by Magicwand
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Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:22 pm
by The Intrepid
I would have cut like this:
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Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:22 am
by Uberdude
@Intrepid
The Intrepid wrote:I would have cut like this:
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That's not my instinct as the marked black stones are in bad shape versus the marked white ones (the classic kosumi next to extension) so moves like white a are effective. It's like pushing into a knight's move to cut it instead of cutting at the waist. Of course sometimes reading can justify such bad shape moves, such as in the game of mine below on move 51 (in which I felt dirty for playing such a crude move, but I can't cut the waist as he has the ladder, and note how the p13 q13 excahnge means g12 has lots of liberties to support the bad shape kosumi and r13 doesn't exist), but I don't see that being the case here.

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:22 pm
by The Intrepid
@Uberdude:
That's interesting insight, thanks. The reason I thought this way of cutting would be better is that it seems to apply more pressure onto the two White stones above. However, maybe White has nothing to fear there, yet.

How would you continue as White, if I may ask? Would you play "a" next or something different?
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Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:44 pm
by skydyr
@The Intrepid
The Intrepid wrote:@Uberdude:That's interesting insight, thanks. The reason I thought this way of cutting would be better is that it seems to apply more pressure onto the two White stones above. However, maybe White has nothing to fear there, yet.

How would you continue as White, if I may ask? Would you play "a" next or something different?
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Isn't cutting the only move?

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:19 pm
by emerus
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This is a stubborn move by me but I think it's a case where I already got on the train and am now along for the ride. I gave only passing consideration to the other extension because it seems spiritless and weak.

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If I play too passively, he can just dodge and make some good shape. He could possibly sacrifice the top 2 stones even.

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This other cut fares similarly, :w6: seems strong and white's top group isn't very heavy.

I think the cut that I played is better shape. It doesn't involve pushing white from behind.

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:43 am
by The Intrepid
@skydyr
Cutting would be nice, but then the White stones below look to be in danger ... at least so says my intuition. I guess I should try to read this out a little bit.
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Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:22 am
by Uberdude
The Intrepid wrote:Cutting would be nice, but then the White stones below look to be in danger ... at least so says my intuition. I guess I should try to read this out a little bit.
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Cutting is of course the only move. I would rather cut and die than not cut. Problem is dying is fairly likely. But that is to be expected as q12 was an overplay.

Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:42 am
by Magicwand
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Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:44 pm
by emerus
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