Life In 19x19

oren wrote:

happysocks wrote:Any other good resources that cover counting? Books?

Position Judgement by Cho Chikun.

I mainly learned from my teacher. Figure out the normal endgame sequences you can expect to be worst case for you and count in pairs for empty territory and count each captured stone in your territory as a pair of points. As you get more practice, you can do it fairly quickly and make good estimates throughout the game.

Thanks! Hope so. From the reviews I'd be pretty interested to read that book even if much of it may be over my head (there's an interesting discussion around the book at SL that someone around my level started). You are probably right, mostly just need more experience counting/estimating.

Dr. Straw has replied and has assured me he plans to put them up on a new website "later this summer". He did not have any direct response to being told that I had posted them on L19, but in any event he plans to make changes so the Internet Archive version may soon be outmoded.

As for the principle of the thing - maybe this is a case of qui tacet, but since it doesn't matter, and KGS messages are hardly an infallible form of communication, I'm hoping he'll have a more explicit policy when the new website appears.

oren wrote:
I mainly learned from my teacher. Figure out the normal endgame sequences you can expect to be worst case for you

Sorry for jumping on an old post, but could you try explaining why you count like this? I used to do the same but decided it skewed the results too much to be of any real use.

jts wrote:Dr. Straw ...did not have any direct response to being told that I had posted them on L19...

Did he know that an admin had removed them? What does he believe is their current state?

jts wrote:...
As for the principle of the thing - maybe this is a case of qui tacet...

I'm tentatively inclined to agree.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

jts wrote:Dr. Straw ...did not have any direct response to being told that I had posted them on L19...

Did he know that an admin had removed them? What does he believe is their current state?

jts wrote:...
As for the principle of the thing - maybe this is a case of qui tacet...

I'm tentatively inclined to agree.

He did not know that an admin (third person? ) had removed them (because that hadn't happened yet when I asked for the clarification), but he did know that someone had raised copyright questions. As it stands he will have to re-emerge to post the URL of his new website, either here or over at SL, and we can ask him for to state his position unambiguously then. Since he is going to find a new host it's a moot point for now, but most internet Go resources will face a truck problem eventually.

Indeed. I think authors who want to exercise the kind of control that Steve is asking for are often being reasonable, but would probably gain from thinking about what should happen if and when their hosting disappears.

Splatted wrote:

oren wrote:
I mainly learned from my teacher. Figure out the normal endgame sequences you can expect to be worst case for you

Sorry for jumping on an old post, but could you try explaining why you count like this? I used to do the same but decided it skewed the results too much to be of any real use.

So the scores often get split into x solid (strong) territory + y weak territory. The reason for the difference is you expect the numbers for y to change in the game but x to be able to stay similar. You can sum up those to figure out what strategy you should take. If you're behind, you need to make more drastic plays. If you're ahead, you can just close off your weak territory and end the game.

You can see this behavior a bit on wbaduk too if you use their scoring estimator which separates to "definite territory" and "thickness".

oren wrote:

Splatted wrote:

oren wrote:
I mainly learned from my teacher. Figure out the normal endgame sequences you can expect to be worst case for you

Sorry for jumping on an old post, but could you try explaining why you count like this? I used to do the same but decided it skewed the results too much to be of any real use.

So the scores often get split into x solid (strong) territory + y weak territory. The reason for the difference is you expect the numbers for y to change in the game but x to be able to stay similar. You can sum up those to figure out what strategy you should take. If you're behind, you need to make more drastic plays. If you're ahead, you can just close off your weak territory and end the game.

You can see this behavior a bit on wbaduk too if you use their scoring estimator which separates to "definite territory" and "thickness".

Ah that makes sense. I thought you meant you assume the worst for you and the best for your opponent, but this seems much better. I'll give it a go and see what happens.

I was alerted to the loss of the link only a few days ago by a direct message on KGS. Until then I was not aware of it. Here is the situation:

I had forgotten that I had stored them on my work pages. I thought they were on my personal home pages. There was a change made at the beginning of the summer which invalidated the links. Since becoming aware of it I realize I need to move them to my personal pages. But before I do so I am taking advantage of the move to edit them for typos. I have already done three of the five. As soon as all are done I will move them and they will be available again. In the meanwhile I have no objections to the link remaining in SL to the archive versions, but please do not duplicate them elsewhere. When ready, I will edit the SL page.

DrStraw wrote:... please do not duplicate them elsewhere...

[admin]
We will be happy to respect this request.
-JB
[/admin]

I have now restored these lessons and removed the links to the archive copies. They have also been edited to remove typos. The ISP provider at the new location uses a Microsoft product which does not recognize the .SGF extension and will not display them unless I add a .TXT extension so you will now have to save the files to your own disk and remove that .TXT.

I also added another .HTML on middle game fighting which I wrote 14 years ago and never made available.

You can find all these at http://senseis.xmp.net/?SteveFawthrop

Thank you!