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Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:17 am
by usagi
Kaya is down/gone? Well that sucks. But, I think it is important to realize the what and why behind kaya.
I am a happy Kaya.gs meijin (I donated $500).
I felt it was important to do that to send a message.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:35 pm
by Javaness2
Wow $500? What was the message though?
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:22 pm
by asura
Javaness2 wrote:Wow $500? What was the message though?
The brilliant man title is for the one that wants to stand above the rest. The Kaya.gs Meijin will have a specially distinctive account, and will have a silver stone in the Board of Fame, in a position of his choosing. He also gets the Feature, Footage and access to the beta server like all founders. And above all that, he will receive a pack of Kaya.gs merchandising with a distinguishable Sponsored by *donor name* Meijin. The pack includes 20 T-Shirts, 5 Mugs, and an undisclosed number of key-holders. The Meijin can receive the materials himself to distribute as he wishes or they can be used as prizes for tournaments and leagues organized by the server. Also the Meijin gets a Teaching game from Gabriel Benmergui.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:57 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Javaness2 wrote:Wow $500? What was the message though?
"I have $500 that I don't need."
At least that was how I felt about my $35. That is how we all should have felt when donating money. I regarded it as about the same as dropping money on a roulette wheel, but far more entertaining to watch.
I think that I got my money's worth.
For my next long shot, I am going to watch a few Lakers games this year.
( But I'm not fool enough to bet $35 on them. )
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:49 pm
by dfunkt
dfunkt wrote:To think, I was fool enough to waste $35 in order for those guys to have a year off work.
Maybe I was a bit harsh. It was only $35 after all and I got some good entertainment from Kaya.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:10 am
by usagi
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Javaness2 wrote:Wow $500? What was the message though?
"I have $500 that I don't need."
At least that was how I felt about my $35. That is how we all should have felt when donating money. I regarded it as about the same as dropping money on a roulette wheel, but far more entertaining to watch.
I think that I got my money's worth.
For my next long shot, I am going to watch a few Lakers games this year.
( But I'm not fool enough to bet $35 on them. )
No, the message is that the powers that be want a new system, and are willing to pay for it.
There is an absolutely huge amount of money waiting in the wings for someone to come along and do it right. By "It" I mean, the Western Go scene as a whole, of course, not just the servers. There was a lot of hope for Kaya. They raised a lot of money on nothing but a promise. Just a hint, something I heard blowing in the wind. There are a lot of changes coming, hopefully for the better, and hopefully sooner than later.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:32 am
by Exithere
Well, Nova.gs is still alive and running, don't understand why people don't play there with their friends.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:13 am
by Bantari
usagi wrote:Joaz Banbeck wrote:Javaness2 wrote:Wow $500? What was the message though?
"I have $500 that I don't need."
At least that was how I felt about my $35. That is how we all should have felt when donating money. I regarded it as about the same as dropping money on a roulette wheel, but far more entertaining to watch.
I think that I got my money's worth.
For my next long shot, I am going to watch a few Lakers games this year.
( But I'm not fool enough to bet $35 on them. )
No, the message is that the powers that be want a new system, and are willing to pay for it.
There is an absolutely huge amount of money waiting in the wings for someone to come along and do it right. By "It" I mean, the Western Go scene as a whole, of course, not just the servers. There was a lot of hope for Kaya. They raised a lot of money on nothing but a promise. Just a hint, something I heard blowing in the wind. There are a lot of changes coming, hopefully for the better, and hopefully sooner than later.
I think it would help if you explained what you mean by 'right'.
And speaking of servers, we already have a lot. Other than a few selected individuals clamming up with talks of "freedom, liberty, and white picket fence" (but there will *always* be some of those, just like there have always been some) - I don't see what is wrong with what we have. Why do people think the multitude of IGS, KGS, Tygem, WBaduk, Nova, and a bunch of minors is insufficient to have a good game? A click-sound surely cannot be *that* important.
PS>
I was hoping the message would be: The community is always ready to support interesting and courageous projects.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:42 am
by Boidhre
Bantari wrote:PS>
I was hoping the message would be: The community is always ready to support interesting and courageous projects.
I read his post as "The community wants to support interesting and courageous projects."
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:50 am
by Bantari
Boidhre wrote:Bantari wrote:PS>
I was hoping the message would be: The community is always ready to support interesting and courageous projects.
I read his post as "The community wants to support interesting and courageous projects."
I read his posts as "The Powers-That-Be (who is that?) are not happy with what we have and want something else." There is a subtle yet profound difference.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:55 am
by Boidhre
Bantari wrote:Boidhre wrote:Bantari wrote:PS>
I was hoping the message would be: The community is always ready to support interesting and courageous projects.
I read his post as "The community wants to support interesting and courageous projects."
I read his posts as "The Powers-That-Be (who is that?) are not happy with what we have and want something else." There is a subtle yet profound difference.
*shrugs*
The people will always take something better, just so long as it doesn't change the parts they want to keep (see: lack of good review tools in Kaya at least up until I stopped playing there for reference)..
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:37 am
by oren
Exithere wrote:Well, Nova.gs is still alive and running, don't understand why people don't play there with their friends.
I think mainly there are already a lot of good options out there. Nova is filling the void for people who want to play in a browser right now.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:37 pm
by oiseaux
I have no problem giving Kaya cash as it wasn't a great deal of dollar and was excited at what a modern Go server could be, but I guess that was pretty naive. I believe the saying goes, "a fool and his money are soon parted". In hindsight it is clear there was a bit of an attitude problem and a total lack of focus and direction about the whole project.
Fortunately while we were all busy looking the other way, Nova happened and it's already a far better server than Kaya was. Let's hope it develops over the next couple of years. I'd go so far as to say we should drop this forum and erect a Nova one in its place.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:23 am
by SpongeBob
My hope is that someone with the knowledge and ressources will take over the kaya server and client and continues with the project ...
I think a great asset has been built and it would be a pity not to use it.
Re: The End of Kaya
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:00 am
by badukJr
Many people have offered but they've refused repeated requests to release the source. Maybe another $17000 will convince them?