Aidoneus wrote:I considered G8, S6, and K15, all of which I rejected because they allow White to play P8 unhindered. I also considered P8 for awhile, but after looking at some sequences starting with Q7 (elephant eye) I decided to go with the attachment even though I've read to not attach to weak stones. In this particular position, though, I think that my only hope is to try and block White's access to the center.
(for Aidoneus after the game or obs) Good. It's important to block centre and connect to q10. It's ok to attach to white here because it's not really a weak stone: it can connect above or below. In fact this white invasion is not so amazing as black had no points here anyway as open at both sides. It would be a mistake for white to take gote and allow k15.
I just bought Invincible in SmartGo format. I'm going to snuggle under some warm blankets and read. (It's down to 20 F, after a high today of 23 F, and heading to the low teens overnight.) First, I might fix myself a nice Everclear fizz (190 proof grain alcohol and True Lemon packet), purely for fortification, mind you. Everclear is a great drink for camping as it can also be used in alcohol stoves.
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Aidoneus wrote:...I vacillated between my move and R7 before deciding that Q7 looked more solid.
P8 would have been solid in the direction that counts. Black is not going to win this game by making points with R6. But he might win it with a huge moyo.
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Does black even need to be afraid of whites territory? I suck at counting, but it feels like depending on endgame white does not even have that much compared to blacks potential in the center.
Does black even need to be afraid of whites territory? I suck at counting, but it feels like depending on endgame white does not even have that much compared to blacks potential in the center.
Can a stronger player offer an approximate count?
Much of Black's advantage lies in central influence, so it is not that easy to count. However, my sense is that White has eliminated more than half the advantage of the 6 stone handicap.
Edit: Unhidden.
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The Adkins Principle: At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
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And here I thought that the question was whether to connect at "a" or "b".
In another thread Bill wonders about playing prophylacticly. Leaving two cutting points behind is not particularly prophylactic.
In other contexts, is usual. But here Black has strength towards the bottom, while White has strength towards the top. So I lean towards "a" to protect the stone. But sacrificing that stone to build up a wall is another idea.
Edit: Unhidden.
Last edited by Bill Spight on Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Adkins Principle: At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
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I think that I need a serious cross-cut workshop! I didn't like extending at O9 and letting White push on top as it cedes too much territory, I think. So, I plan on answering P11 with O11, and hope to follow up with N13 or maybe L16/K15. I will think about which after seeing if White gets in a move around O13 after my push. (I have also tried to consider what happens if White cuts again at O9 after I push with O11. I "think" that I'll be OK with surrounding any stones inside by linking up my groups.) Meanwhile, though, White keeps expanding territory on the right while pushing me around. It probably doesn't look like it, but I feel like I'm learning quite a bit the hard way in this game. On the other hand, I feel like a fighter with no sense of balance--staggering from move to move, waiting for an inevitable knockout. Welcome to ringside, I hope you are enjoying the blood sport!
is usual. But here Black has strength towards the bottom, while White has strength towards the top. So I lean towards "a" to protect the 
stone. But sacrificing that stone to build up a wall is another idea. 