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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:31 pm
by topazg
@loons

Yeah, it would be big. Sadly, with the aji, I didn't see any way of eating it all (even excluding the stones to the right of the bottom hoshi). It was too easy for him to escape I think - I figure it's better to completely seal him in in sente than become too thin and fall apart.

Yeah, M3 was a very good move, I'd wanted N4 or N6 for some time, but never wanted to take gote to play them as there was always something urgent going on. I think White can be pleased with this, but then Black I think can be pleased with the top right. Neither side has all that many points right now, so this influence is still very valuable. I feel I'm possibly behind, perhaps 5 points or so, but it's still a close interesting game for the time being :)

Who would you take here? White or Black? :P

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:36 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . B . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X 8 . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to sooo bad. Will need to read, this could be really unreasonable, but that marked stone has _aji_

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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . 1 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not good enough for gote.

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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 6 . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 4 8 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not good enough full stop.

I think I have to block :(

Heeeeeeyyy, tenuki time?

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:40 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's do this!

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:29 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Obervers:
R3 is huge. What is he thinking???

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:30 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . 0 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i can not understand his direction of play.
he must learn very popular korean baduk saying:
rough translation "peep first then hangma"

if he is attacking my group then direction of attack is wrong.
i am erasing his influence and making my group safe same time.
an ideal way to make your weak group safe.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:29 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And, the fireworks begin.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:35 am
by topazg
Some of my thoughts:

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 5 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . 4 3 . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 3 O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X 8 X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . 2 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X 6 4 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 9 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X 8 2 3 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X 0 6 a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he can't play that move, he can't play locally in sente. I want to play in that corner, but:

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . 1 a . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't help me much, and if I ply "a" as well, it's gote and I have given him too important a sente move for those 10 points or so. The middle is urgent, this is just big.


further thoughts:

Though, in hindsight, my last move was terrible. I was hoping to get miai of attacking that group or building the top right:

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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . 1 . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but that's too small for a while, especially with the lower right. Better would have been:

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . 1 , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also looked at the peep, but I think he won't respond as he can use the aji on the right too easily to worry about that stone being cut off:

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:27 am
by Loons
further thoughts:

topazg
I was worried the world had gone mad for a few moments there.

Bonus challenge: Convince Magicwand this was a good move.

PS: When I said eat before, I meant eat, not eat.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:43 am
by topazg
Loons wrote:
further thoughts:

topazg
I was worried the world had gone mad for a few moments there.

Bonus challenge: Convince Magicwand this was a good move.

PS: When I said eat before, I meant eat, not eat.


Yeah, I'm in a bit of a pickle now. My Q7 tesuji doesn't work, the lower right is really big, and my hope of points in the middle is dwindling. If I fail to get something big out of this fight, I'm now at least 15 points behind. He's a handy player that magicwand :)

:b89: has cost me quite badly.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:32 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think my opponent is stronger than i am in fuseki.
but this kind of attack is....not good.
i am sure he had a chance to take advantage of my weakness.
he played two wild untamed questionable moves in a row..

for skds: when you are ahead..dont want any complication and you dont know how to settle your group.
PROBE!!
i am asking how is he going to answer my probe. (is is also ladder maker)
he certinly can not capture everything because of bad aji.
and if he back down...i am still happy and minimize his influence. (hopefully in sente)
focus of this game now is lower right corner..
if i get sente and go there first...game is over so i am thinking he is having taugh time deciding what to play

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:42 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this exchange is probably worth playing, as I'm beginning to fear White taking this point. The cut at N5 means he may get it in sente after all. Then I'll decide whether I respond to his last move or play in the top left. Interesting moves:

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . b O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . a . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . c . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


General observation:

Is it just me, or is this game downright crazy / weird? I had no idea me vs magicwand would do this - I hope it's entertaining for others!

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:49 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if i hanne then it is not much different than before. he still have to answer that in gote.

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:57 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow, this is exciting. Reading this:

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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 4 3 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X B . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . 6 X 9 . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 2 1 7 8 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 5 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X B . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 4 3 1 9 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 8 O 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 7 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X B . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If this works, I may get the descent in sente. I wish I could read!

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:09 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


now let's solidify my win.
i hate for him to play there because of the aji.. i will go first.
it also strengthen bad aji on the side..

Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:04 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . 7 O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Recent events:

Gah, my tesuji fails after all:

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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . c O . d . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X b a 2 X 9 . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 4 1 3 8 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 O 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 7 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still, I'm happy about magicwand's response down there. I've got two interesting endgame options (the monkey jump I want sooner rather than later):

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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . 2 X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 3 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X 6 4 |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . 5 |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In other news

His last move sort of threatens him pulling out his stone, but at the moment I think the big top dragon is safe with lots of ways of making eyes:

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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . b . . . c . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . a O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I settle the group on the left, while aiming at the following:


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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 3 . 5 . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . 1 O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Extras:

I think that monkey jump is huge, so I may just play it next anyway. Also, I want this:

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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