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Yithril vs. Chew Terr

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Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:07 pm
by Magicwand
hyperpape:
if you remove the prisoner...
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . 4 5 X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O 2 3 . X 1 . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X O O O X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . 4 5 X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O 2 3 . X 1 . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O C O O O X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:16 pm
by hyperpape
@magicwand WOW :oops:

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:48 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X 8 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A trigger, if you're interested. Ya'all's hide tags are making me really curious.

Sorry I haven't posted as much in my hide tags lately.
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[go]$$Bc Some options A
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . 7 . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O C 2 5 6 . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X 3 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . 1 4 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc Some options B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O C 2 4 . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X 3 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . 6 1 5 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . 7 . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc Some options C
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . 7 6 8 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . 5 4 3 O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . 0 O X 1 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . 9 2 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Some options D
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . 9 X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O 0 8 6 7 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . 5 4 3 O . a . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X 1 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . 2 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Reverts to B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O C 6 2 . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . 4 O X 1 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . 3 5 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Some options E
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . 2 . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X 1 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm121 I also considered this, but
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 8 9 X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . 0 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm I also considered this, but
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . 7 . 5 6 . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X 0 . 4 3 O . 1 2 O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X 8 O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . 9 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc I also considered this, but darn.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . X . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O C O X O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X O O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . 3 2 X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . 5 4 1 . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, I've been reading this for hours. I know the diagrams I posted above don't all make sense, but they were me typing my thoughts, then either discarding the ideas before I explained them, or finding they revert to B. So I expect that, whether I start here or with the atari, white will revert to diagram B. I do have some nice aji with M10 and Q5, though I don't think I get more than this capture (B). The capture MAY be sente, though, or may make a monkey jump very sente. Q5 threatens to kill the corner, by the way. And if I get Q5 in sente (easy), the M5 cut is sente.


Looking at this now, this feels more reasonable than I had thought previously. I am glad of that. :roll:

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:53 am
by Chew Terr
Despite the fact that I think I know how you'll respond, this game is really tense...

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:28 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X C X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . 9 . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:32 pm
by yithril
Hmm, I may come to regret this move...

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:52 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bcm130 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . 5 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . O 4 3 O . 1 2 O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Take as much or as little trigger as you'd like. This is a really interesting fight, I'd hate it if you backed down too early. =D

Okay, so. The first peep threatens to kill the corner. Next, I threaten to connect to my outside in sente (by capturing one stone, which would again threaten the corner). Next I will connect at K5. If he tries to drive me upwards, I get more liberties, and then I get to cut at J3 to live. So I anticipate that he will drive me downwards, forcing me to live, but requiring himself to fix his cut points in gote. This would turn out to be about the same as the diagram I predicted last move, but it's a more interesting sequence to get there. Also, it ends in the sente I need so badly. I think I'm just too far behind, but it's a fun fight.

...if I DO decide I'm way too far behind, I can try to get liberties in the middle, and jump into his corner. But it seems like I'd need a LOT of liberties for it... hmmm. I'll consider it, but don't need to decide that quite yet.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:58 am
by yithril
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[go]$$Bcm130 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . X 6 . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:24 am
by Chew Terr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm130 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O . . . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X 7 O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:39 am
by yithril
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm130 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O 8 0 . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . 9 O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Get out of my house! :P

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:14 am
by prokofiev
By my count, the game may still be close if Chew can get a good result on the left while reducing the center-left slightly. I guess he needs to move D7 somehow. E6 looks like a vital spot, but I don't think it comes to much:

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[go]$$Bcm140 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . 2 X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There may be something in C7 though:

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[go]$$Bcm140 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . a . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . 1 X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O 2 . b . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here 'a' and 'b' are threatened (or maybe E8 is better than 'a'?). It still doesn't seem like a good enough result though.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:56 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
There are all kinds of possibilities or the left side. If Chew throws caution to the winds, I think that he can win this.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 2 O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 3 1 . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , 5 . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 5 . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O 3 7 O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O 4 . . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:56 pm
by Chew Terr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm140 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . X O X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . W B . 5 . B B B W W . 1 1 . . . |
$$ | O 6 O O X X . . X O O O . . W O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O B X O C W |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X W B X X W W |
$$ | W X . . 2 2 . . . . B X X B B . . B B |
$$ | B . X B B B B B X X W B W W W X X . . |
$$ | . B W W W B W W B O O W O . O O X . . |
$$ | . B W . W B B O W . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | 8 . X W O W W . . 5 6 . O X O O W X . |
$$ | . B . B W . . . . , . . . X O X X 1 6 |
$$ | B . . B W . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | W B B B B W . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | W W B X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . W O O . W . . O W W W X O . O O X B |
$$ | W . W X W C W O X X O O X O W X O O W |
$$ | B O O X B W W B O X X O O X X X O 5 . |
$$ | B X X C C X B B W B C X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . B O X . X B W W W |
$$ | . . . . . 2 4 . . . . . . X . B B B . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I kind of fudged the boundaries, and totalled 78-75, with me a bit behind. The count may have been a bit optimistic, and it's really unlikely that I'll catch up in endgame, but it's close enough to be reasonable to keep playing. I think I'll play a bit longer, and if I lose 5-10 points in any one place, I'll resign.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:10 pm
by Numsgil
@Chew:

Your counting diagram confuses and intrigues me :P What's with the numbered stones inside territory?

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:28 pm
by Chew Terr
Numsgil wrote:@Chew:

Your counting diagram confuses and intrigues me :P What's with the numbered stones inside territory?


I was numbering the values of chunks of territory. Regardless of stone colors, two 1s next to each other meant that region was worth 11. This was summing a very hand-wavey estimate.
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