$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Not quite sure why he wants to get this exchange now. Peanuts in the center?
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X . 6 . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . a . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . 2 . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X . 6 . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . a . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . 2 . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If we play it like this, then his cutting stone can still be captured and a is weakened for him. There must be some reason though, perhaps dealing with ko threats for the upper left group? What I want to know is, can I tenuki after the next move?
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . 2 . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . 6 . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . 2 . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . 6 . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is something like this possible?
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:33 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Nothing to add to my previous post...
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:41 pm
by daniel_the_smith
If you look at the comments to the last few posts, you have a nice illustration that half the battle is just figuring out what the stronger player is aiming at.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:08 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . O X . 6 . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . O X . 6 . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't cut on the bottom because I think he can just cut off my side group and capture it before I can capture his side group.
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O a . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X . 6 . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . b . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O a . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . 5 X . 6 . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . b . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It seems to me that a and b are smaller for white now after
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:03 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . 7 O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . 7 O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Here we go!
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:23 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . 8 O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . 8 O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, looks like I have no choice but to ko, and it's a painful one at that.
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . 8 7 O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . 9 X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . 8 7 O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . 9 X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:45 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . 9 X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . 9 X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's see what Black was thinking about for the last few days!
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:48 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . 0 X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm31 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . 0 X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:57 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 1 X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 1 X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:54 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X O X 2 O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X O X 2 O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I thought about this:
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 1 X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 1 X O X . O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But I think it's bad to do this first, because after white response my upper left group is threatened. This ko is bad
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:31 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O 3 . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O 3 . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is a tricky point. It seems to me that if I answer with below, Black can descend at in sente and throw in at . If I connect after , I suffer from a potential shortage of liberties - and "a" would threaten to capture two/seven stones. If I do not connect, the ko at would threaten both to live and to trash my upper side. As a result, the solid connection looks better in this case.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . 5 . . 4 8 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 3 X X . 2 O 6 1 . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O a . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X 0 . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . 5 . . 4 8 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 3 X X . 2 O 6 1 . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O a . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X 0 . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:39 am
by Jedo
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O 4 O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . . O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O 4 O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Perhaps we should use triggers during the ko fight to make it go faster?
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:09 pm
by ez4u
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
triggers: If H18, I will recapture the ko. If you fill the ko, I will play H18.
This was part of my plan going in, if Black did not prevent it. I have the impression that if Black fills the ko, I will gain sufficient compensation by cutting off the center stones. This may not be true since Black will have sente and can play to reduce my capture as much as possible. If Black responds at H18, I think White is much better off since Black will no longer have a safe eye on the top. This should help me in responding to future Black ko threats.
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:30 pm
by Jedo
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . 8 . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . 8 . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So here's the deal. I took his threat offer because this is really a huge ko and he will ignore almost anything, except maybe this:
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . a . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . a . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or other local threats like it. At the same time, he can just make threats that aren't as big as the ko and still make a profit. This threat is worth about 25 points, and after subtracting what he lost for starting the fight means he gained a little over 10 points in gote the way I see it. It's probably a little less, because I have this nice clamp later on:
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . a O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . a O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Which should help reduce the middle. The move I just played aims at reducing the bottom to almost nothing, and hopefuly even capturing some stones depending on how he plays. To be honest this situation is pretty hard to read out, but some the ideal is:
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X 7 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . 8 9 O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . 0 . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X 7 5 O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . 8 9 O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . 0 . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've had to resort to desperate measures, but I'm anxious to see how he'll respond!
Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:08 am
by ez4u
$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . 9 . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . X . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: , $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . | $$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . | $$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . 9 . O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . X . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I am going to respond on top. Mainly I feel that simply connecting is too passive. There are many ways for Black to continue locally and there are even more ways for Black to turn elsewhere and try to use the aji in this position later. Perhaps it would be better to connect solidly, but I have my pride!
, 
below, Black can descend at 
in sente and throw in at 
, I suffer from a potential shortage of liberties - 
and "a" would threaten to capture two/seven stones. If I do not connect, the ko at