$$Bcm121 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . . . 7 O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . . . 7 O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:57 am
by Celebrir
$$Bcm121 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . 0 . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . 9 O X 8 . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . . . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . 0 . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . 9 O X 8 . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . . . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Going on as explained before, but I can't know how or whether he'll defend the cut.
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:09 am
by illluck
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . 1 . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . 1 . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:09 am
by Celebrir
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . 2 . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . 2 . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now it is my turn to take big endgames. I explained this one before.
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:26 am
by illluck
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . O . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . 3 . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . O . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . 3 . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:44 am
by Celebrir
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . O 4 O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X . O 4 O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Somehow I hoped he would make a mistake here
$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . 2 X 3 . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X 1 O . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . 6 . . . . . . O . W O X . . | $$ | . . . . 4 X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . 5 X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . 2 X 3 . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X 1 O . O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . . 6 . . . . . . O . W O X . . | $$ | . . . . 4 X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . 5 X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Because of is sente now and this will be my move if he responds to this one.
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:59 am
by illluck
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X a O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X 5 O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X a O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X 5 O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you respond, I'll connect at a.
Might as well get the sente first.
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:09 am
by Celebrir
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . 8 X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X 7 O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X 6 . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . 8 X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X 7 O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X 6 . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Cutting at seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing afterwards. Getting something at the center and seems far bigger than
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:55 am
by topazg
@Celebrir:
Celebrir wrote:
Cutting at seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing afterwards. Getting something at the center and seems far bigger than
Really? I make 9.5 points gote, I'm not sure is 9.5 points? It must be at least close, but I can't see enough points for "far bigger"
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:39 am
by Celebrir
topazg wrote:@Celebrir:
Celebrir wrote:
Cutting at seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing afterwards. Getting something at the center and seems far bigger than
Really? I make 9.5 points gote, I'm not sure is 9.5 points? It must be at least close, but I can't see enough points for "far bigger"
Don't forget that he takes my stone at L10 first. Beside is/should be sente which makes it even bigger
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:49 am
by topazg
@Celebrir:
Celebrir wrote:
Don't forget that he takes my stone at L10 first. Beside is/should be sente which makes it even bigger
I agree is bigger than , I thought we were comparing the next two, like Black should perhaps have taken himself. is sente?
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:50 am
by illluck
$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 0 . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O 9 O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 0 . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O 9 O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O 1 . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O 1 . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:02 pm
by Celebrir
$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , 2 . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , 2 . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Am I really missing something here ? He has to defend now and I thought this works with the cut protected:
$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X 3 1 . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O 4 X 2 X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X 3 1 . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O 4 X 2 X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:15 pm
by illluck
$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X 3 O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X 3 O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:27 pm
by Celebrir
$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . 4 . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X . . O X . 4 . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O O O . X . O . X . X X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X X O . O O X O . . . | $$ | . O X X O O O O . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . | $$ | . X . . X O O X O X X O O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X X O O . O O X O . O . O X X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | X X . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . . X . X O O . . . . O O O X . | $$ | O O . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . O X . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
With this reduction it seems like he should have played there, doesn't it ?
is sente now and this will be my move if he responds to this one.
seems big, but he would get/destroy points in sente at the center and playing 
afterwards. Getting something at the center and 
is/should be sente which makes it even bigger
is bigger than 
, I thought we were comparing the next two, like Black should perhaps have taken