Re: Seattle Go Center sues Nihon Ki-in Japan
Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:09 am
An article in the Daily Yomiuri.
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Chizu Kobayashi, an executive director of the Nihon Ki-in in charge of overseas affairs, said: "After discussing whether we need overseas chapters in this Internet age, we decided to sell the building. We'll decide how to deal with the case after consulting with our lawyer."
ez4u wrote:An article in the Daily Yomiuri.
shapenaji wrote:Also, after talking with some of the folks at the Seattle center, I learned that by selling the building, they will break a 10-year lease by the tenant currently renting. This is no small set of damages.
Whose opinion is Shapenaji reporting, and how accurately is he reporting it? Obviously you can't answer those questions. We just don't know for sure if the leadership at the Seattle club thinks the lease matters, or if that's just Shapenaji's take. So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.badukJr wrote:shapenaji wrote:Also, after talking with some of the folks at the Seattle center, I learned that by selling the building, they will break a 10-year lease by the tenant currently renting. This is no small set of damages.
Uh, no. Property ownership changing during lease terms happens all the time. The new owner must honor the old lease agreement (unless of course sale of the property terminates the lease as specified in the contract, and there is not fight there anyway)
Its kind of scary that the 'folks at the Seattle center' have such a loose handle on this, honestly.
I don't think it's trolling. Not everyone who is wrong is a troll. Not even everyone who's wrong and loud about is a troll. Shapenaji is just someone who's pissed, and there's a difference.hanekomu wrote:shapenaji wrote:Mrs. Kobayashi appears to be changing her story... Election season at the Nihon Kiin is clearly in full swing.
This could charitably be called "speculation", less charitably "disrespectful", but I'd call it "trolling".
(Of course, now I've made the mistake of feeding the troll...)
hanekomu wrote:shapenaji wrote:Mrs. Kobayashi appears to be changing her story... Election season at the Nihon Kiin is clearly in full swing.
This could charitably be called "speculation", less charitably "disrespectful", but I'd call it "trolling".
(Of course, now I've made the mistake of feeding the troll...)
hyperpape wrote:Whose opinion is Shapenaji reporting, and how accurately is he reporting it? Obviously you can't answer those questions. We just don't know for sure if the leadership at the Seattle club thinks the lease matters, or if that's just Shapenaji's take. So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.badukJr wrote:shapenaji wrote:Also, after talking with some of the folks at the Seattle center, I learned that by selling the building, they will break a 10-year lease by the tenant currently renting. This is no small set of damages.
Uh, no. Property ownership changing during lease terms happens all the time. The new owner must honor the old lease agreement (unless of course sale of the property terminates the lease as specified in the contract, and there is not fight there anyway)
Its kind of scary that the 'folks at the Seattle center' have such a loose handle on this, honestly.
badukJr wrote:hyperpape wrote:... So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.
And then, by your own admission, so are you.
mhlepore wrote:The Daily Yomiuri article:
One thing I found surprising about the daily yomiuri article is the comment that the NYGC was closed in 2010 due to the age of the building. This makes it seem like the building was on the verge of collapse.
I have not played there in several years, but it did not seem that old, especially by New York City standards. Can anyone comment on the state of the building?
How so? I'm not saying anything about the facts of the case. I'm just saying that your response to Shapenaji went well beyond what you could know, since you don't who told him what exactly in Seattle. Show me where (in that post) I'm assuming anything, or how your original post wasn't making unfair assumptions and I'll gladly withdraw that.badukJr wrote:hyperpape wrote:... So you're approaching this with a loose handle on the facts.
And then, by your own admission, so are you.
"Taking my board hat off so as to not expose anything I shouldn't at this time, I can say two things. There was never a plan to sell beyond the ideas of some people; that is, there was no agreement of any kind, just someone's desires. Second, those people would have been happy to sell to anyone who would buy, so the members of the go center are a subset of anyone who might buy it. We have discussed independently as one backup plan, could we muster the funds to buy it. That sentence you quote is specious in my opinion."
ez4u wrote:An article in the Daily Yomiuri.