165 LexC vs EdLee

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[go]$$Wm94 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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This seems bigger than replying to :b93:, but I'm not sure.
Threatens (a):
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[go]$$Wm94
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . a . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

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[go]$$Bm95 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


What I read
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[go]$$Bm95 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . 4 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . 2 . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Post by topazg »

@Ed:

Is "a" in your last dia much of a threat, bearing in mind it can only be taken in double gote, no?

I'm not criticising the move, as it's big because of the comparison of Black getting there first, just a comment about the threat of "a" adding much additional value.
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topazg,
topazg wrote:Is "a" in your last dia much of a threat...
I have no idea. It's "a" follow-up. I dunno how big it is. I dunno when I'll take it.
I wasn't kidding when I said I dunno what I'm doing here in yose. :mrgreen:
But somehow B keeps making these gote moves... I dunno. :-|

If B got :b1: first, it seemed pretty big to me, too:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Was not expecting :b95:.
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

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@ed:

I agree, I think Black getting to play there first was really quite big, and I certainly think :w94: was bigger than :b95:
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Post by crux »

Not for the players.
EdLee wrote:If B got :b1: first, it seemed pretty big to me, too:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is the tesuji though:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O 2 4 5 X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post by EdLee »

At last, :b95: fixed the funny business in that area.
For the longest time, I was wondering:
- push (a)? then cut (c) or (d)?
- push (a), then clamp (e) ?
- peep (b) ?
- (f) -- but premature without the (a) push-and-cut ?
I read and read, and thought B's corner was still OK -- because B had miai of living or connecting at (a),
so I didn't play any of (a) - (f). :)
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . f . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . c X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . e b a O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . d X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm96 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Not sure if :b1: is very big:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |[/go]
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

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[go]$$Bm97 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X 1 . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


What I thought first
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[go]$$Bm97 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Then what I read
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[go]$$Bm97 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . 5 X 2 8 . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 4 3 6 . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . 7 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post by EdLee »

Locally, my move would be the jump to :b1: instead of extend;
now I have the option to take the :b1: spot myself.
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . 1 . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wm98 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . 1 . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Yose, finally?
Now that this group finally looks settled, we're in yose, I think.

Earlier, there were a few points of interest: (a), (b), and (c) areas.
I wondered if (a) and (b) were miai-ish? I was not sure about the (c) situation,
because it had to do with the life-and-death of B's corner; say, clamp (d)?
So the current result seems OK? As I got all of (a), (b) and even fixed (c).
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[go]$$
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c c . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X d . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . b . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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LexC, hello?
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm99 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm99 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . b . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . a . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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sorry
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LexC, de rien. :)
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