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Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:15 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm100 Move 100 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here we go ...

I don't think I can win this. My only chance is this line of play, I think. All others lead to me getting cut off. A couple possible lines of play:

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[go]$$Wcm100 Wishful thinking?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 4 O 3 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 6 5 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . 0 8 7 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O 9 1 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm100 A more complicated wishful thinking ... a to g in order continue the line of thought
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . e X f . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O g . O 6 O b . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . 9 7 8 . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 5 2 X 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . 1 3 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . c X a O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X d X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anyways, it's make or break now.

Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:09 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



An example of how I work out variations for this game. I mostly just open up the diagram, and play out most local responses. I should be able to live here. Some of these variations are probably atrocious, but they are sufficient for me to say that this move makes me live. If my honorable opponent plays well, he can probably save his stones. I also considered k8 as a possible move, but the cut wasn't well protected.

Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:43 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O 1 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to pay the piper ... will I survive?

Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:49 pm
by Redundant
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[go]$$Bcm103 Move 103 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He can let me take an eye here, or die.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 3 O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 4 5 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 2 1 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

versus

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 2 . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . 6 5 1 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O 3 O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O 4 7 X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:00 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Wcm104 Move 104 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At this point, I shall resign, as you and I will both live, but I am far behind. Thank you for the game. I hope observers got something out of my flailing about. :D

In a timed game, I would probably play at E12 and try for the following:

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[go]$$Wcm104 One final effort ...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . 4 X 1 . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X 3 2 X X X 9 . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 6 O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 7 8 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 5 X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You have plenty of time to read it out, though, and I think it should be easily manageable. Do you think something like this sequence is poor form? It would be my last ditch attempt at life, before a resignation in a KGS game.

Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:03 pm
by Redundant
Thank you very much for the game. You almost had me. I didn't read out at all if I could get one eye on the bottom. I took the two stones mostly because I wanted to convince myself that the atari had been sente.