$$Wcm1 Move #132 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . W . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #132 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . W . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
sorry about taking so long...i thought i played this move...but i dont see what i posted i guess i didnt press submit.
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:22 am
by Laman
$$Wcm1 Move #134 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O B X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #134 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O B X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
no problem, i think little break can't do any harm
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:52 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Move #134 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . W . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #134 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . W . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:06 pm
by Laman
$$Wcm1 Move #136 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X B . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #136 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X B . . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
exchange of last two moves wasnt very beneficial for me, i should try harder
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:07 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Move #136 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X W . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #136 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X W . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:55 pm
by Laman
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . B . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . B . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
hmm, i thought quite a lot about this one. i would like to play several moves, but none of them looks like sente. i wonder what would some stronger player recommend me to play here, or generally how to evaluate such position. i almost played R5, then i changed my mind and chose J9 candidates: M19 - looks very big, especially compared with w N19. but even after w N19 i can still play K18, + N19 is gote J9 - also nice, seems that i can eventually do something from the other side, but not really much. has continuation if white tenukis R5 - big, settles my group once and for good, sente continuation at T4 E4 - not extra big, feels like sente, but i can't do really much if white ignores even with written arguments, i cant clearly decide which move to play, my intuition said J9, so i trust it
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:59 pm
by Solomon
Am I missing something here? How can Black live? If I'm right, it will be very funny to see one side *suddenly* see the problem with this and fix it, especially since both sides have played at least 5 moves elsewhere. And we all know peeking is against the rules... .
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:24 pm
by Bill Spight
Araban wrote:
Am I missing something here? How can Black live? If I'm right, it will be very funny to see one side *suddenly* see the problem with this and fix it, especially since both sides have played at least 5 moves elsewhere. And we all know peeking is against the rules... .
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 5 X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 4 X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 5 X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 4 X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Edit: Unhidden.
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:45 pm
by Solomon
Bill Spight wrote:
Araban wrote:
Am I missing something here? How can Black live? If I'm right, it will be very funny to see one side *suddenly* see the problem with this and fix it, especially since both sides have played at least 5 moves elsewhere. And we all know peeking is against the rules... .
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 5 X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 4 X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 5 X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 4 X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ahhhh, unbelievable I could miss ... thanks .
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:47 pm
by Bill Spight
Araban wrote:
Ahhhh, unbelievable I could miss ... thanks .
Even monkeys fall from trees.
Edit: Unhidden.
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:18 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X W . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X W . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
that is something i didnt see.. good move..but it wont change the fact that the game is over.
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:35 am
by Laman
$$Wcm1 Move #140 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X B . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #140 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X B . O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
after my previous move, this should be more sente than before, with this possible continuation (if white ignores)
$$Bcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O 8 . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O 7 . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O 0 O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . 9 . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X 1 5 O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O 3 O 6 O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . 4 . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O 8 . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O 7 . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O 0 O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . 9 . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X 1 5 O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O 3 O 6 O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . 4 . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm11 Diagram 2 - ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O X . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X 6 X O O O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X 4 X . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . 1 2 X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O 5 X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . 3 . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X X X O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O X O O O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . O . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm11 Diagram 2 - ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 2 . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O O . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O X . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X 6 X O O O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X 4 X . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . 1 2 X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O 5 X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . 3 . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X X X O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O X O O O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . O . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
note: i should also think more about my own points than about only reducing white. moves like G15, Q8
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:08 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Move #140 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X X W O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #140 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . | $$ | O X X X X W O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:15 am
by Laman
$$Wcm1 Move #142 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . B O . | $$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #142 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . B O . | $$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok, so far it goes fine since my last long message (= i keep sente). E3 is logical follow-up after E4, but it is worth only one point, so i can keep it to the future, mainly as possible ko threat if needed. white won't play there now anyway. after a rough count R5 appears to be slightly bigger than M19. i would also like to play G15, especially because w G16 is sente
Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:10 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Move #142 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X W . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . B O . | $$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #142 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . | $$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X . X O . O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X O . . X W . . O X O X . . X . | $$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . | $$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . B O . | $$ | O X X X X O O X . X . . O X X O . X . | $$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i dont think i have to go crazy over endgame. i will just play big moves and i should be ok.
... thanks