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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Post by daniel_the_smith »

Really? We go there? I know my move was on the second line but another one? That wasn't where white was going to make points. Topazg's move says white wants the center.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Post by Phelan »

I'll only be able to move monday.

Right now I'm undecided whether F2 is big enough(and sente), if I should just close the other side of the corner, or tenuki and go for a moyo at the top middle.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Sorry for taking so long...

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[go]$$Wcm90 Move 90 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems to be the biggest local move. Cutting Jordus' move doesn't seem as important, since it can connect to the other side.

My move leaves 2 cuts, but they don't seem that important

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[go]$$Wcm90 Cut 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | 7 4 3 6 . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . 1 2 O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm90 cut 2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 5 4 2 X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . 3 . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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he played right area but wrong place.
what he played leaves weaknesses. we will eventually pay for that weakness.
Phelan: if you read this after the game ..next time play solid moves (below diag is correct)
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[go]$$Wcm90 Move 90 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Ouch. That's a really big point for white. We're definitely behind now.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm91 Move 91 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O 1 O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Wait, now that I think about it some more, I think white's last move leaves us with the ability to create a lot of complications unless white gives something up.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm92 Move 92 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Oh, it's on now! I know I criticized Jordus's last move, but it does seem to offer some help in the coming fight.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


We have to call Black's bluff and fight. This could get horribly horribly messy...
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm94 Alternative?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . b . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wouldn't this be preferable to b? It seems so to me.
Maybe b plans to threaten to drive black to the right and get a wall? Is it trying to get sente for a move elsewhere?
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm95 Move 95 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O . 1 . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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I'll play tomorrow.
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[go]$$Wcm96
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X a . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . . , X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm in a strange mood. If I played now, I'd probably play this or a, but I'm not sure they work.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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What!? Nooooo just extend, go for everything... :(
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Still in a strange mood. I think my other choice was much worse than this.
Also, I don't feel I can tenuki yet, so I have to make a move in this area. I just don't know what it is.
These were my thoughts.
a1h1 [1d]: You just need to curse the gods and defend.
Good Go = Shape.
Associação Portuguesa de Go
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