[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, I guess this is sente for him. I still don't feel bad about letting the stone go, though, because I think it would have made my group more heavy (although now it is also a bit heavy, it is probably more heavy by saving the stone).
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:10 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:18 pm
by Kirby
I'm going to wait a bit.
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:22 pm
by unkx80
Kirby wrote:
Well, I guess this is sente for him. I still don't feel bad about letting the stone go, though, because I think it would have made my group more heavy (although now it is also a bit heavy, it is probably more heavy by saving the stone).
I feel very painful to have this stone eaten without adequate compensation. Notice that white broke past black's loose ringfence and is still one connected group!
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:03 pm
by hoohoo
I actually think Magicwand is clawing his way closer when Kirby answers so passively. Kirby need to keep his tounge right or Magicwand might stage an upset. Harr, im actually rooting for magicwand atm, his playing have gone from sneaky overplayish to honest aggressive as the hc have increased and i like that.
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:29 pm
by SpongeBob
Kirby wrote:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think that it's time to connect this group now. Playing with the contact stone he just made gives him many forcing moves, and could make my group here potentially dangerous. I don't seal him in this way, but I can still escape with my center group.
Even I, being several stones weaker, was instantly feeling that this move is MUCH too defensive when I saw it. Magicwand is desparately - so it feels to me - trying to break through Kirby's enclosure and he is just backing off and letting him have that. There must be some better move which is defending his group and simultaneously threatening something to Magicwand as well. But Kirby did not mention any other moves that he considered. Did he play this too fast? I could very well understand that, I am having trouble with the patience needed for turn-based-games as well. Or is it a general weakness of him, letting the opponent have what he wants without making sure that he gets some compensation?
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:32 pm
by daniel_the_smith
I would have played O14 instead of L12. At the time I didn't like L12. Now I think L12 was good and O14 too timid. I would have liked to see the M13 hane and the resulting fight instead.
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:51 pm
by Kirby
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , B . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . b a . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
but white can make things hard for me with a move like "a". I also considered playing at "b", but that doesn't allow for me to play under at "c" very well.
I think I need to strengthen my group. I don't want him to get a good position on the side, but I have to keep my group safe.
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:55 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . W B . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I get eyespace with this move, threaten to connect to my center group, and have potential to cut him if he doesn't protect the cut. I think that this is the right move.
I could have also considered K15. I think that K15 could be OK, but might damage my right group more when white ataris.
Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:04 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O 2 X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
However, this move works fine. I threaten to take his stone, which would clearly make my group perfectly safe. If he saves his stone, I can cut him off with:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O 1 X . . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X 5 O 6 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . O . O . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . X O . O O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------