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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:50 am
by EdLee
Wondering if :b1: ponnuki is sente... :study:
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[go]$$B :w2: tenuki, :b7: connects at :wc:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . 8 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . 6 3 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 5 O O 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 9 O X X W X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:57 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Bm81 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O X X W X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:50 am
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bm81 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . 2 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


EdLee, I don't want to rush, but could we perhaps aim for something like a move or two each week unless life interrupts too badly? The current pace with over week between moves makes it somehow harder to concentrate for me. If that's too fast, we can continue as it is. Sorry, could not know this beforehand as this is my first Malkovich game

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:10 pm
by EdLee
Hi Tim, yes, sorry for the delay. Life did interrupt over here -- I'm in the middle of a huge multi-month
project that started even before October last year, and there's still maybe 2 or 3 months to go.
But I'll try to play faster! Thanks! :)

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:31 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Bm83 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:32 pm
by EdLee
OK, cash. Let's see what happens.

Re:

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:47 pm
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bm83 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


This time I spent some time looking for local alternatives, but they all seem to lead to bad results. In any case I don't want to tenuki and let black have too big side.


Ed: thanks for understanding, and don't worry about it too much, if you are busy with real life, then of course a game can wait.

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:39 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Bm85 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:13 am
by TIM82
I think I'm weakest at endgame, where we are now. Would really appreciate some feedback from here onwards from stonger players to read after the game. However, I think Ed's last move is not good:

1) a,b,c,d below would be likely sente points for black (this is what I expected)
2) My right side potential is smaller than my potential at bottom. D and F are similar moves, but D for Ed or E for me is better than F. F would be good if it threatened my eyespace on the side, but I do not see that.

I'm inclined to play E now, considering also G and whether I should try to turn marked area into points somehow. Around H is also nice, but seems smaller than the marked area at least, so not first priority.

Hope the diagram is not too cluttered :oops:

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[go]$$Bm85 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . f . . X . h . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O g . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . d c . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . b a . . |
$$ | . . . . ? ? . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . ? ? ? . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O ? ? ? . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X ? ? . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . ? ? . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . e d . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:04 pm
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bm85 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, this seems bigger than B, and I'll keep the cut at A reserve in case black attacks my left side - don't see a way to turn that cut into good points right now.

If black tenukis my 86, below continuations seems good.

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[go]$$Wm88 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O b . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X a X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . 7 O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . 5 X 6 . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:40 am
by EdLee
I woke up this morning...drip, drip, drip... raining today.

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:44 am
by EdLee
Yea, :w86: is not small. I had thought about the same place,
but wasn't sure if it would end up gote for B:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Obviously, Tim thought :b85:(= :bc: ) is gote. Let's see...
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | 3 W X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:04 am
by TIM82
EdLee wrote:I woke up this morning...drip, drip, drip... raining today.


Hoping the weather improves there. I've had a wonderful Easter holiday - peace, good company and very good food, sunny spring days...

Got an xbox kinetic for holidays too - first console I have ever owned, hopefully it won't destroy all my free time in the future :D

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:20 am
by EdLee
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[go]$$Bm87 :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:22 am
by EdLee
Finally fixed (a), which has been sitting there since the corner joseki;
it's probably not that big, but it's there.
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[go]$$Bm87 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O X X . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X a X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]