#201 drmwc vs lovelove

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:15 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm131 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X . . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O 6 X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . . . X O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:35 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm131 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X 9 . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . 7 8 X O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I expect a reply as below.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . 4 . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X 3 . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . 1 2 . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . a O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . 5 X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . 6 O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then I beelive the sequence shon is the biggest thing on the board. W can contemplate resisting, with 6 at a, for example. But then I gain yose on the edge.

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:36 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm131 Prisoners: Black 3 White 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . 0 . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:35 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . 1 X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As planned.

Suppose this sequence follows:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . a . O X X X X X X X 4 . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . 6 3 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , 8 1 X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . 2 O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then a rough count is:
W around 20 points lop left (note I have a for later, but W may get points in top right corner).
Around 30 points centre and lower side side
10 points bottom left.

B 50 points RHS.
5 points top.
13 point left hand side.

B total: 68. W total: 66.5. So it looks like a very small lead for me, but it's exceedingly close and could go either way.

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:50 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . 2 O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:16 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:18 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:30 am

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:55 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . 5 O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll post comments on this move later today or tomorrow.

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:24 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm141 Prisoners: Black 3 White 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . 9 X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O 8 6 7 . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . 0 O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:25 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm151 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O 1 X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

44 appears to be double sente for W. however, I was slightly surprised to see white play it immediately. There are two reasons for my surprise:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X 5 . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . 3 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O 1 X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black 3 becomes powerful after W 44. Also, if B gets to descend at 5, my yose improves a bit as a result of having captured the single stone, for example:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X 1 9 | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O 4 O 6 8 | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O 3 O 5 . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O 7 | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

9 is my sente here.

So W may choose to make this exchange in sente quite soon:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | 3 . . . . . . . 8 6 2 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . a 9 4 7 O X X X X X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . O O . O 5 O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O . O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, this exchange improve my yose on the top side as shown.If W neglects to play some of these move, the peep at a becomes big for me.

I expect W will continue as here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . 5 3 6 . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O 4 . O . 2 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X a . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O 1 X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

2 is nearly double sente - it looks like it activates a cut at a. I intend to play at 3. There are lots of choices for W, but if it goes as shown I believe that I have a slight lead.

W can't play actually play the cut I pointed out:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . 3 . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . 2 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . 6 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . 5 X 4 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O 7 O O 1 X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . 0 8 X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , 9 X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

5 threatens a geta, so forces 6. Then after 9 nasty things will happen on the lower side to W.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . X . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O X O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . 2 O X X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . 1 X X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O 3 O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Finally, here is an laternative for W for in the main variant:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . 4 3 . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O 5 . O . 2 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O 6 7 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X a . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O 1 X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

B 5 and 7 as here work OK if W cuts.

I mentioned the cut at 3 as a move to play instead of 41. I reject this because, at that time, W reply with a nobi as in the main diagram (5 above) worked well for him. Now I hve extra stones in the area, W's territory from the nobi is smaller so it looks like better timing for me.

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:30 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm151 Prisoners: Black 3 White 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . 2 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:06 am

@lovelove:

lovelove · Post by **lovelove** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:18 am

Uberdude wrote:@lovelove:
How did you decide between this being a good forcing move, and a bad thank-you move that helps black fix his cut?

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:22 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm151 Prisoners: Black 3 White 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . 3 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If W cuts, I will just capture the three stones as shown:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm153 Prisoners: Black 3 White 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O 5 O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O 6 7 . 3 O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . 8 9 . 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . 0 O . 1 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The extra 6 points is useful, and W's terrtory is not too big, so I like this for B. So W may well need to answer passively:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm151 Prisoners: Black 3 White 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . O . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X . | $$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . 4 . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . 3 X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . X . X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . X X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I've not decided what to do if this happens, but it must be a good exchange for B.

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