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Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:34 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
In my previous post, I explained why I didn't choose a particular losing move. In this post, I endeavor to explain how that realization led me to the best move - and probably the only move that does not lose.

I that previous post, we were looking at this position:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O 7 5 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Move 7 is heavy. It does not increase the liberties of anything, and it attempts to save a stone that does not have to be saved - D7 either has to be saved OR rendered useless as an eye.

I was looking at this position, dismayed that such a vulgar move was necessary. I started doing sort of tewari analysis, asking myself where other stones should be to make 7 less ugly.

Making D7 a false eye without having to save it would be far more elegant. That, of course, means getting two of the four diagonal neighboring points.

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[go]$$Bm1 I need two of the circled points
$$ . . . . . . .
$$ . . C O C . .
$$ . . O . O . .
$$ . . C O C . .
$$ . . . . . . .[/go]


In other words, once he plays 4, I don't want a stone at 'a'; I want it at 'b'. If I can hold both 5 and 'b', then D7 becomes a false eye if he captures it.

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 5 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So I concluded that a stone at 5 would work. It attempts to extricate D7 by connecting outward via either 'c' or 'd'. And it does not link it's fate to D7 by connecting solidly.

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . d . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If white is really determined to not let D7 escape, then 3 as shown above is in one of the four crucial points to make D7 a false eye. If I haven't wasted a move in the wrong place, I can get a second one of the four.

It looks like this:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O 6 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . 5 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black either saves D7 by killing 4, or makes it a false eye by connecting 7 eastward.

It was this line of thought - with a lot of useless side branches - that led me to choose E6.


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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:00 am
by TegaiS
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:15 am
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Joaz Banbeck wrote:... My groups will be hanging on by their fingernails.
I hope nobody slips. There is no room for error here.


Everything is still hanging together here.

His strongest play is to connect at 6 and let me connect at 7:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 7 X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O B 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now D7 and :b3: are both in danger. I can save only one of them. When he captures the other, it is a false eye - I think.

If he captures D7, it appears to be fairly simple:

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[go]$$Wcm1 I save E6, and improve my resistance to the D3 cut.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O B O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . 2 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X 3 5 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 6 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So he will probably go with the other capture at E6:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Here is where white must complicate. If he goes for the immediate capture, black plays the solid move at 4:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | C O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . C 2 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O 3 X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O C 1 C . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 4 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And now all white's eyes are at risk if black plays the circled points.

Thus white must try some complication like this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . 3 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 6 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X 3 5 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't have time to show all of the lines that I have looked at, but so far I cannot find one that works for white.

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:21 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Triggers:


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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 7 X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 6 X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:17 am
by TegaiS
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 7 X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . 8 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hoped for something like this. After :w9: Black don't have time to make two eyes with B1.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 6 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X 3 5 . 9 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 4 7 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I'm afraid Black can give up the D4 stone now
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O 8 X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 7 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X 3 5 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 6 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:53 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 5 7 X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . 8 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A third time in this corner he chooses the most complicated line, thus giving me the greatest opportunity to make a mistake.

Generally, a player who believes that he has the upper hand wants to simplify matters so as to not lose his advantage in an oversight. Conversely, a player who believes that he is at a disadvantage wants to give his opponent maximum chance to fail - even if he knows that he himself may fall into a pit, for he is no worse off if he does.

I infer from this repeated choice of complicated lines that my opponent thinks that he is in a losing position. ( Although logic compels me to admit that he may have found a winning line that just happens to be at the end of a series of junctures, and the most complicated choice at each of those junctures just happens to lead to the one winning result. )

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:09 pm
by TegaiS
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 5 7 X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . 3 2 . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | 1 X O . 8 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X 0 . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:23 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Triggers:

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 2 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X C 3 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:56 pm
by TegaiS
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 4 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Like this I'm about 15 points behind in my count. The embarrassing thing is that I die in gote.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X 4 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . 3 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X 1 . . 5 X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:25 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm playing the most resilient corner shape that I can. He can't go for the vital point because he dies first:
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 7 . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:14 am
by TegaiS
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . 6 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:43 am
by Joaz Banbeck
*Screeeech* ...Wait...what??

I expected this:
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . ? ? . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . ? ? X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . ? ? . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X 6 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 7 . . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White 16 forces black 17, otherwise black's three stones get into trouble. Then white plays 18 somewhere in the shaded area.


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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X 7 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . 6 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 . . . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't mind an opportunity to extricate my three stones.

And he still can't win a liberties race against my corner:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O O 2 O . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 3 4 . X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:56 pm
by TegaiS
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X 7 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . 6 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 . . 8 X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:08 am
by tj86430
TegaiS wrote:Like this I'm about 15 points behind in my count. The embarrassing thing is that I die in gote.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X 4 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . 3 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X 1 . . 5 X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is :b6: needed? Can't black play this:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And still capture E2 group before white can kill black corner?

Re: #264 Joaz Banbeck vs TegaiS

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:22 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b3: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . X O . X . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . X O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X X . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . . . O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X X . X X O , . O . O O , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . O . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . X O . . . X . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X 3 X 7 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X O 2 . 6 . X X . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 1 4 . . 8 X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't see where he is going with this. As long as I can kill this group faster than white can kill my corner, I'm OK.
My move preserves my lead in the liberties race. And it prevents the connection underneath. So it can't be bad, right?


White must see that he can't get eyes in a space that small. And he also must have read the same liberties race that I have and come to the same conclusion. So where is he going with this sacrifice?

The only thing this does for white is that it lets him pressure the line of four black stones at D4/G4. He removes liberties on the underside by creating this group. It looks like it might last long enough to let the white stones on the upper side attack the four black stones from the top - and thereby get enough sente moves to make an extra eye.

I've looked at that possibility a lot. And it doesn't work. The four black stones are always one move ahead in a liberties race, or able to connect eastward.