$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Must stay consistent with the big plan... If I wanted the corner, I should have crosscut.
Tactics and Variations
Normally extending is correct, but there's the following:
$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 2 1 5 . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . a X O X 6 . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 3 . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 2 1 5 . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . a X O X 6 . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 3 . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm certain "a" is supposed to work in some situations, but I can't quite remember how, and if I play it out, get it wrong (or find that this is a situation where it doesn't work!) I lose out badly.
If extends, so will I, if he captures, I'm going to connect solidly, aiming at the following:
$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 3 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 3 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Edit: No, I'm not, that's silly. If I was going to let him connect, why play the corner probe in the first place. I don't like playing for the ko because he can cut instead of fight a ko, but how about:
$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . a . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 3 1 X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . a . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 3 1 X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's that or "a" probably. I should have gone for the corner
Bleh, that's a nonsense move too, it doesn't work. I'm going to ko it.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:50 am
by Chew Terr
unkx:
What if black plays 6 instead of 2?
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:33 pm
by topazg
Further thoughts:
I'm such a numpty. The next move should be the key point, and the whole purpose of playing on this side in the first place:
$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . a . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . c . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . b . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . a . 2 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . c . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . b . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now I may be able to rescue those stones to kill the top edge with "a", or if Black plays to stay safe, I can get "b" instead. If I manage to get "c" as well, I've made another 50 or so points in the middle. That gives me about 130 points, so as long as I can keep Black below 60, I'll be fine. When this middle fuseki-ish-thing has finished playing out, I'll count.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:48 pm
by prokofiev
Chew Terr wrote:unkx:
What if black plays 6 instead of 2?
Here's my reading:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . 7 3 . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . 5 4 X O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 6 1 X O X X . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 2 O X O 9 . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . a X . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . 7 3 . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . 5 4 X O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 6 1 X O X X . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 2 O X O 9 . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . a X . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
8 at 1. (6 at 'a' is the same.)
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . b 3 a . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 5 X O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X X . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 2 O X O 6 . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 4 X . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . b 3 a . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 5 X O O . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X X . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 2 O X O 6 . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 4 X . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This seems better for black, but probably white is still okay (at least white can live: 7 takes, and then white has an eye at 'a' and miai for an eye at P18 and at 'b').
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:55 pm
by Chew Terr
Prokofiev:
Right, thanks =D. The second diagram is what I was trying to read out in my head, but you're right, white seems to be okay. Regardless, living on the side or corner isn't topazg's intent, so it's moot. Still, practice reading for us.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:15 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm119 Move 119 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 - W: 0, B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tactics and Variations
I either extend or take the stone in atari. The second diagram feels more favorable, but I think taking the atari is proper-er. But I was really 51%/49% on this.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 7 . 1 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 3 . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . 6 . 2 4 5 . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 7 . 1 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X O X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 3 . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . 6 . 2 4 5 . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 9 1 6 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 0 O X O X 5 . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 7 O X 2 . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 8 3 . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 9 1 6 4 . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 0 O X O X 5 . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 7 O X 2 . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 8 3 . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:03 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm120 Move 120 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm120 Move 120 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've swapped around the prisoner counts because they were confusing me (I think the other Malkovich games had the number as the number of prisoners that side has managed to capture, not had captured - that way it can be easily just viewed as "bonus points for that colour" I guess)
Strategy and Thoughts
Ok, let's get this plan on the road - I'm thinking I'll probably take "c" instead of "b" first on my last analysis if Black tries to connect underneath.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:32 pm
by daniel_the_smith
White, I really don't like what you've done with that corner...
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:14 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm121 Move 121 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 1 . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 Move 121 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 1 . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Score and Counting
So making up some borders, and counting the top left as equal to komi, white's central moyo is worth about 35 points.
My right side is worth 28 points. Bottom left is worth 11. White's bottom is worth 8. I'm not counting the top for either side since it's not really resolved yet. And counting the center black stones as mostly dead.
So given these boundaries, white wins by 4 points (give or take). That doesn't count getting raped in the end game, of course. So these boundaries are not something I want to aim for.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . b . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O w w . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . w . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . w . . . . . . b b | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , w . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . w X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . w w w . . . w . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X b b . . X O X O O X X X X . . b | $$ | b b . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . b . . . . . w . . w . . b . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . b . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O w w . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . w . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . w . . . . . . b b | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , w . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . w X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . w w w . . . w . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X b b . . X O X O O X X X X . . b | $$ | b b . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . b . . . . . w . . w . . b . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
So these are the points which I considered.
'a' aims to split the white stones on the left from the white stones on the right. Really a key weakness of this white shape. 'b' looks to solidly connect to the black stones on the top.
'c' destroys any white territory on the side. But I don't think that's an issue anyway. So probably not a necessary move at this point in the game. 'd' expands my territory while cramping any hope white has of making territory on the side. It does everything 'c' does and more. 'e' attempts to force white into a family feud. But if the group doesn't escape very well it just becomes heavy.
'f' tries to break in to white's moyo a bit, but it isn't doing so from a position that is all that strong to begin with.
Of these, 'a', 'd', and 'e' are the only ones I think merit further inspection.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . b . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . f . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . d . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X e . c . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . b . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . f . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . d . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X e . c . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tactics and Variations
Maybe something like this? Still good for black, I think.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 1 5 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 2 . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 1 5 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 2 . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, but not as good as the one above (less big move).
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . 7 . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . 5 . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O 3 1 4 . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 2 . 6 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . 7 . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . 5 . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O 3 1 4 . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 2 . 6 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My weakness in the corner prevents me from really capitalizing on this one.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . b . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . f . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . 4 . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 8 O 5 O O 2 . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . b . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . f . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . 4 . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 8 O 5 O O 2 . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So 'a' seems like the best move.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:40 am
by topazg
So much to think about.... I'll be looking at this in detail later. The game feels close but there are some crazy decisions to make. Do I try to save the 2 stones and kill the whole top edge? Do I deliberately sacrifice them for the enlargement of my moyo? Do I tenuki entirely for those other big points on the board? Will have to do a score count for each I think.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:51 am
by unkx80
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 8 . 6 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 5 4 1 2 . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . 3 X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 8 . 6 . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 5 4 1 2 . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . 3 X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 7 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is the game sequence. I agree with daniel_the_smith and feel that white unnecessarily gave away all the aji in the corner just to play in sente. I would recommend as shown over a; it is honte and makes the corner absolutely secure.
I say that must extend at . While prokofiev's proposal may be slightly better for black, I still prefer white to extend rather than counter atari.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 2 . . . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 2 . . . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If white's intention is to play in sente, white could have played it directly. It's pretty much sente anyway, because there isn't many big areas remaining on the board.
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:18 am
by topazg
$$Wcm122 Move 122 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm122 Move 122 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Nope, it's all yucky. Fortunately, there's lots of aji left, and I think if I can secure this middle with the followups I mentioned, the game's about even with plenty of endgame left. So, accepting I royally messed up the corner, I must make sure I don't mess it up further. If there's a good opportunity to do something with those stones, I will.
Tactics and Variations
Lots of potential fun:
$$Wcm122 Move 122 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . 6 4 7 8 . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . 3 X 9 O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , 5 . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O 1 2 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . a . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . b . . | $$ | . X O O . c . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O d . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm122 Move 122 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . 6 4 7 8 . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . 3 X 9 O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , 5 . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O 1 2 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . a . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . b . . | $$ | . X O O . c . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O d . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
129 at 130 instead works for Black, so I'll be playing 128 somewhere else, probably at "a", "b", or "c". If "d" is a threat to kill the corner, I'll probably play that then "a", otherwise I'll probably just play "a".
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:15 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm123 Move 123 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm123 Move 123 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 1 . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tactics and Variations
Two choices. The second one looks better, though.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 4 . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 2 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 3 1 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 4 . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 2 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 3 1 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 3 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 1 2 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 5 4 . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 3 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 1 2 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 5 4 . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:21 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm124 Move 124 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . 1 X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm124 Move 124 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . 1 X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
Getting my sente reduction / shape fixing over here first, before pushing over the top as planned:
$$Wcm124 Move 124 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . 4 2 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . 1 X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , 3 . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X 6 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 5 . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . 7 . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm124 Move 124 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . 4 2 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . 1 X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , 3 . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X 6 . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 5 . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . 7 . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:34 pm
by unkx80
$$Bcm123 Move 123 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 1 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O a . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm123 Move 123 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 1 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O a . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
in sente. I would recommend 
as shown over a; it is honte and makes the corner absolutely secure.
must extend at 
. While prokofiev's proposal may be slightly better for black, I still prefer white to extend rather than counter atari.
in sente, white could have played it directly. It's pretty much sente anyway, because there isn't many big areas remaining on the board.
over a. Basically aji-less.