[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . . 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Going to trust my sense of shape. I don't think I can stop white from escaping, so I'll try to keep this part strong and gain something somewhere else. Yay for thought-out plans.
Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:36 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . . 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . . 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Huzzah, I'm in!
FWIW sevis, the damage to your shape caused by allowing me to break inside whilst connecting to a completely settled and alive group is pretty large - why did you decide against playing at ?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:09 am
by EdLee
Sevis:
Sevis wrote:Going to trust my sense of shape.
This is broken shape for B:
$$W $$. . . . . . $$. Y @ @ . . $$. . @ Y X . $$. O . . . .
[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . 4 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O 6 O 5 . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:57 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O X X . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O X X . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:16 pm
by EdLee
Sevis:
Sevis wrote:I'd say I still like the current result better, although it isn't too clear.
It's very clear the current result is a disaster for B, both locally and globally.
The exchange of and is also bad:
$$Bm80 $$. . . . . . . $$. X O O . . . $$. 1 O X X . . $$. O 2 . . . . $$. . X . X O . $$ X X . . . O .
[go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . 5 . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X X O 3 4 . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X X 2 . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O O . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . . . X 1 X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:37 pm
by Aphelion
The last 4-5 moves cost Black a lot. This game should be easily a White win now.
Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:38 pm
by Sevis
First of all, I'd like to thank EdLee for the commentary so far; I wonder if it will perhaps have been fairer if the last few ones were marked as spoilers, seeing as they may affect the game, but it's certainly good to see my errors soon after I make them.
Interesting about K8, I would probably have chosen to save J6 instead (it feels important, although I see no reason why it would be).
Now, to decide what to do about all this. It is now obvious even to me that my last three turns were mistakes (and that I had misread the last two). First of all, probably a good idea to do a count:
$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | w w w w w w w w . . . w w w w w w w w | $$ | w w w w w w O . . . . w w w w w w w w | $$ | w w O O . O . . . . . . w w O O O w w | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | b b X b b X . . . . . . . . . . X b b | $$ | b b b b b . . . . . . . . . X X O b b | $$ | b b b b . . . . . . . . . . . O X b b | $$ | b b X b . . . . . . . . . . . . X b b | $$ | . X b b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O w w w | $$ | w O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O w w | $$ | w w X O . X O X X . . . . . X O w w w | $$ | w w O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O w | $$ | w O w . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O w O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X b b b | $$ | . X b b X X O w w O w . X . b b b b b | $$ | b b b b X O w w w w w . . b b b b b b | $$ | b b b b . . w w w w w . . b b b b b b | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | w w w w w w w w . . . w w w w w w w w | $$ | w w w w w w O . . . . w w w w w w w w | $$ | w w O O . O . . . . . . w w O O O w w | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | b b X b b X . . . . . . . . . . X b b | $$ | b b b b b . . . . . . . . . X X O b b | $$ | b b b b . . . . . . . . . . . O X b b | $$ | b b X b . . . . . . . . . . . . X b b | $$ | . X b b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O w w w | $$ | w O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O w w | $$ | w w X O . X O X X . . . . . X O w w w | $$ | w w O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O w | $$ | w O w . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O w O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X b b b | $$ | . X b b X X O w w O w . X . b b b b b | $$ | b b b b X O w w w w w . . b b b b b b | $$ | b b b b . . w w w w w . . b b b b b b | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White has 16+20+11+13+7+1 = 68 Black has 18+10+10+20 = 58 And that's assuming I didn't miscount. Guessing from how far behind I got so far, I expect the territory on the top-left to be reduced by half and the territory on the top-right to vanish entirely (and probably die). Now, to figure out a way to stop those two things happening, and I might lose by not too great an amount.
I think that playing F11 is going to make it harder to reduce that part. If the top-right is attacked, it can still run, so I think I can save it later. F12 looks good, too, but it leaves too wide an opening -- a white invasion there would cost me more than losing the F9 stones would.
$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O X X . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . X O . X O X X . . . . . X O . . . | $$ | . . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O . | $$ | . O . . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . | $$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . | $$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at 
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is the first feeling, as topazg hinted at (but there are exceptions, of course):
s present, because I don't yet know which one I'd play.
and 
is also bad: