33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . 1 . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hmm, it looks like white's capture there will be worth 9 points, in gote. I think that is not the biggest right now.

I think black 1 is worth about 8-10 points, in reverse sente, so effectively 16-20 points.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . W O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i was afraid he might tenuki but what he played is not right.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O 2 . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . 3 X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Force before defending, 1 gives me a free point at F10.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

bottom gote is bigger but top has some aji that worth more.
i think the cat is in the bag... i can not lose this game.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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Another quite interesting game. So without Kirby's betting system being in place, yet, how would you guys make your bets? I would place it on zinger, without much fear of loosing it.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It looks like he made the biggest move. I'll grab a freebie before deciding what to do next.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c A 7k's choice for next move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . B . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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let me know if you dont agree
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O 3 . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . 4 1 2 . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
what he played is so wrong..now i have move that will separate black group and attack.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . 1 . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nuts, I overlooked white D13. Really careless, that wasn't hard to see. Now I have to think if he threatens my E16 stones. Yeah, white F15 would be a pain in the rear. I guess I have to play 1, which stinks because not only is it not the area I would have played, it's not even the local move I would have played. bah. Well at least it is worth a few points.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . W . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . X . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$c A 7k's choice for next move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . B . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's quite big, but it suffers from being gote, and also, white can reduce, in sente, the hoped-for area from three directions, the top (e18 or j18), the left (e14) and the right (j15).
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O 1 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . X . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey Magicwand, this game is fun! You may lead but only by a little, it's not over yet.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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all i need is a few point lead to secure my win.
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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Not sure why he decided to give me that stone.


all i need is a few point lead to secure my win.

That's true. Do you have it? ;-)
Main Entry: zing·er Pronunciation: \ˈziŋ-ər\
1 : something causing or meant to cause interest, surprise, or shock
2 : a pointed witty remark or retort
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