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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:59 pm
by EdLee
First feeling is :b99: seems a bit slow -- it's not small (but not very big?)... one idea was:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:09 am
by hyperpape
Yes, most of the endgame on this board is surprisingly small, but even so, :b99: seems little.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:22 am
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm100 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . 1 . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:29 am
by EdLee
Back at :w82:, I was expecting :b83: at (a), so I thought :b83: pulling back was a bit strange;
now :b99: seems to me doing what :b83: should have done in the first place.
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[go]$$Wm82
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

:white:100 is a shared point: I'm still not sure what is the correct yose.
But it seems close and maybe W is OK-ish... see what happens if I just play properly and solidly.

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:18 pm
by The Intrepid
White seems to be headed toward a comfortable 5-10 point victory. At the end of the day, Black was not able to utilize his center stone or his wall on the right. The marked stones were used neither to pressure White groups nor to build territory:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . B X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . B O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . B . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . B . B O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . B O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

I agree with EdLee's earlier comment that it would have been good for Black to play the following at one point or another.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , 1 . 3 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O 2 . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:31 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm101 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 1 . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]



What I read

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[go]$$Bm101 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . 4 3 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 1 . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:57 pm
by EdLee
B offers opportunities for a (baby?) fight... :study:

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:49 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm102 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . 1 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:30 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm103 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . 1 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

What I read

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:11 pm
by EdLee
First feeling is hane :w1::
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . 1 B . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:26 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm104 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . 1 X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:49 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm105 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


as I read

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:45 am
by EdLee
The plan was to just connect with :w1:.
Locally, B seems a bit over-concentrated -- the x's were always B's anyway,
so B only gained the shaded area -- not so big?
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . 1 O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X ? . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B ? x x X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . ? x x X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X x X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
If B had cross-cut with :b1:, my plan -- seems OK for W
(both :bt: hurt and potentially in trouble):
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . 3 5 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . 2 1 O 7 . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . Y 4 O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . 8 . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . Y . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:18 am
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm106 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . 1 O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:57 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm107 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . 1 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . 1 2 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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