Who stands better in this fuseki?

mitsun · Post by **mitsun** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:10 am

I think W is slightly better, because the B stones on the left seem just a bit over-concentrated. But the difference is not enough to affect the outcome at my level. This does not look like a moyo game, so as B I would just develop normally in the lower right corner with R6. B should think soon about breaking up the W top position with K16 or L17, but perhaps not quite yet.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:13 am

White may be a little bit ahead.

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I am happy to treat the bottom and right sides as miai. Black's moyo is too small and solid to make a play on the frontier of moyos, I think. White would gain more from solidifying his moyo.

So I incline towards invading the top side. Had

been low, a reduction would look better.

Anyway, I don't think that there is much to choose between plays on the top, right, or bottom sides (including Uberdude's O-03 and mitsun's R-06).

Pippen · Post by **Pippen** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:03 pm

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Since you all think Black did not too good I wonder where it happened. Maybe 9 is too passive or 7 already?

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:34 pm

Did you consider double approach? Typically the 2nd line move white plays is only good when white has friends on both sides so that he can split and attack:

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Maybe you can even double approach earlier when he does it in the top left - you already have an extension on the left, after all.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:20 pm

Pippen wrote:
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Since you all think Black did not too good I wonder where it happened. Maybe 9 is too passive or 7 already?

sucks. It extends from a secure group.

To put it another way, after

the temperature on the left side has dropped.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:44 pm

Bill Spight wrote: sucks. It extends from a secure group.

True.

jeromie · Post by **jeromie** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:14 pm

Bill Spight wrote:
sucks. It extends from a secure group.

I am just beginning to figure this out in my own games, and at my level it represents a monumental shift in how I consider where I should play.

Just wanted to let you guys know that I may not have much to contribute, but I appreciate being able to listen in on a dan level fuseki conversation.

Pippen · Post by **Pippen** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:36 pm

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So according to Bill 'a' is not a good move and I can't see why. Because no matter what, Black will keep sente, also kirby said correctly how to deal with the undercut by double approach. So what move is better than 'a'?

Here is how my plan would normally unfold:

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Doesn't Black look good here?

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:43 pm

Bill just said why- 'a' extends from a secure group. The proverb says "Don't play near thickness", and that applies here. Your diagram shows Black overconcentrated on the left side with about 20 points, maybe 25. White's top left corner alone is 20 points.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:08 pm

Pippen wrote:Here is how my plan would normally unfold:

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Doesn't Black look good here?

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:25 pm

This move, I think, should be better:

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Bottom side is open area. You have stable position on the left, so white can't get many points there.

So start something new on the bottom, I'd say.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:29 pm

Though, I'm still not 100% sure about this move to begin with:

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I almost want to double approach here, too. Maybe I just like double approaching too much :-p

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Pippen · Post by **Pippen** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:45 am

Shaddy wrote:Bill just said why- 'a' extends from a secure group. The proverb says "Don't play near thickness", and that applies here. Your diagram shows Black overconcentrated on the left side with about 20 points, maybe 25. White's top left corner alone is 20 points.

Damn, you're right. It's so deceiving. Black's side looks so bold, but it's actually even smaller than White's top corner.

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I'd aagree that the marked move is best now. Thx to all for making me see that.

Pippen · Post by **Pippen** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:04 am

Is this looking good or bad for White? I wonder if 2 was a good move and I wonder where to play next as White. I did choose 'a'.

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Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:57 am

Pippen wrote:Is this looking good or bad for White? I wonder if 2 was a good move and I wonder where to play next as White. I did choose 'a'.

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is not good. Jowa says, Don't run.

And

would be better at 5.

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