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Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:03 am
by Shenoute
macelee wrote:Iyama not exactly invincible though. In my opinion Ichiriki had great chances in today's games.
WindCaliber wrote:For the last 7 games, but not of all time, haha.
I would feel bad for Ichiriki Ryo though. Being a top prospect, but having that guy who's always better than you (who is also one of the reasons he's not a 9d yet).
On a side note, I believe Ichiriki was just promoted to 8d last week for winning his 150th game as a 7d. This being against Yamashita Keigo in the finals of the Kisei tournament.
Yes
I hope he starts winning titles at some point and manages to avoid a situation à la Yoda Norimoto who spent most of his best years when both Cho & Kobayashi were reigning supreme.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:12 am
by pookpooi
Even though the gap differences between the reigner and the challenger are different, I think Ichiriki Ryo and Shin Jinseo are following the same fate.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:25 am
by hyperpape
We don't know ahead of time when each player will reach his peak. Iyama has arguably been at his all time peak in his mid-late twenties, while Ichiriki is only 20. At 20, Iyama was just starting to take titles from Cho U (who was himself very good, but not as dominant as Iyama, and perhaps beginning his own fall from the very top).
I'm not sure when you'd say Park was at his peak, but Shin is only 17, which is still quite young. Too young to prejudge matters.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:44 am
by pookpooi
Yes, too young but Shin Jinseo has to compete with time too. The moment he has to military conscription his reigning chance is over.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:37 pm
by lichigo
Hello, today is the 4th game of the oza. Where can I see a live video?
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:17 pm
by pookpooi
lichigo wrote:Hello, today is the 4th game of the oza. Where can I see a live video?
4th or 3rd game?
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:48 pm
by lichigo
Oh sorry , the 3rd game.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 am
by pookpooi
Iyama Yuta won by resignation, thus successfully defend Oza crown. Next match against Ichiriki Ryo is November 24, the third out of five games of Tengen crown. (Iyama already has two won games)
I'm wondering if Oza has lunch break or not...
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:18 am
by Uberdude
Uberdude wrote:Iyama won game 2 of the Oza vs Ichiriki by 4.5. They both did a taisha, but not the complicated lines. Later Iyama cut and killed Ichiriki's reduction of his centre but had to give up a few nibbles plus some bad aji which meant there was a rather large ko in the endgame.
This atari from Ichiriki did surprise me: seeing as Iyama tenukid it and then managed to kill the entire white centre group it seemed like a mistake (though the aji from it did makes the centre harder to kill, but not impossible). Someone on facebook reports commentators said Ichiriki was in byo yomi so probably a failed timesuji. If that atari was a good exchange then before living at the marked point many moves ago would have been a better timing. A shame to spoil a title match like that.
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Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:09 am
by WindCaliber
pookpooi wrote:He lost to Iyama Yuta for 7 consecutive games. His total count in go4go database is 5/20.
pookpooi wrote:Iyama Yuta won by resignation, thus successfully defend Oza crown. Next match against Ichiriki Ryo is November 24, the third out of five games of Tengen crown. (Iyama already has two won games)
I'm wondering if Oza has lunch break or not...
And the drought continues. Ichiriki is now 0-8 in the last 8 games against Iyama.
Iyama Yuta is in good form right now, with a 9 game winning streak including, of course, his wins against Ke Jie and Yang Dingxin(ranked 24 on goratings).
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:32 pm
by dsatkas
Is it me or are Iyama's games keep getting more and more complicating/fighting? His last 5 games or so were ridiculously complex.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:39 am
by Uberdude
I think Iyama's always been a fighty player, and doesn't back down from a fight against his Japanese peers because he usually out-reads them. Ichiriki is also fighty, in fact I thought his recent games rather lacked the intricate small-scale fighting and tesujis I liked when I first started following his games a couple of years ago.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:31 am
by kimidori
To me Iyama's games were more "free-flow" and less fighty when he was younger (like 5-7 years ago), but in the last few years it seems that he never backed downed against anyone, even sometimes being outread by stronger opponents in international encounters.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:29 pm
by oren
WindCaliber wrote:
For the last 7 games, but not of all time, haha.
I would feel bad for Ichiriki Ryo though. Being a top prospect, but having that guy who's always better than you (who is also one of the reasons he's not a 9d yet).
Iyama around the same age had the same issue with Cho U. He had to figure out how to overcome a player who had won five titles and good international performances.
Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:25 pm
by pookpooi