Does black not see this move? There's no really good resistance for black and is worth much more than a2 is, yet black plans to use his sente and then play a2.
$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | 1 . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | 1 . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:59 pm
by Laman
$$Bcm1 Move #178 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . W X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #178 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . W X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:16 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 Move #179 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O B . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #179 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O B . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
No change
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:50 pm
by Laman
$$Bcm1 Move #180 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | W . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #180 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | W . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
black doesn't play bad, i use to play passive in endgame.
$$Bcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . 4 . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O 3 O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X 1 2 . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | W 1 X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X 2 X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . 4 . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O 3 O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X 1 2 . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | W 1 X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X 2 X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
the point is that i can lose only 3 points in the top-center area, while i surely destroy more black points on the left, compared with situation if he would get to defend at B11. and i cannot lose anything in the ko
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:58 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 Move #180 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . B X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #180 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . B X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X . X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Frustrating. When I looked at that position, I considered this:
$$Wcm1 Move #180 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | 4 3 X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X 2 X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X 1 , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Move #180 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | 4 3 X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | X 2 X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X 1 , . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And figured it was ok. Not sure why I didn't look at the atari.
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:02 pm
by Laman
$$Wcm182 Move #182-8, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . 7 . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O 6 O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X 4 5 . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . 1 X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X 2 3 . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm182 Move #182-8, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . 7 . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O 6 O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X 4 5 . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . 1 X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X 2 3 . . X . X O . O . . . X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
my proposal to make things move a bit faster (not that i would be impatient)
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:37 am
by emeraldemon
$$Wcm182 Move #189, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X . X O . O . . B X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm182 Move #189, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X . X O . O . . B X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
On reflection I think this may be slightly bigger than A2, although probably still gote.
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:59 am
by Laman
$$Wcm182 Move #190, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X . X O . O . W X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm182 Move #190, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X . X O . O . W X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
yeah, big move. but i prefered to connect with 184 at D10 so i could definitely forget about cuts on the left. following moves in the current area are much smaller than black's first one, but i guess still big enough to be worth answer.
i considered w A2, which looks as a big endgame move, difference between white and black playing there is 3 points (i think). and i am also deciding when to play w D16 - 2 point sente for me.
once again score count:
$$Wcm182 Score ballance, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . g . X O . O . a . . O X X X . . h . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . b O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X j X O . O . W X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . c . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | f . . . . O . . . O O . O X i X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . e . . . . . . . . . . . d . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm182 Score ballance, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . g . X O . O . a . . O X X X . . h . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . b O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X j X O . O . W X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . c . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | f . . . . O . . . O O . O X i X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . e . . . . . . . . . . . d . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
a + b + c + d + e - f - g - h - i - j + 1 = 21 + 10 + 13 + 5 + 7 - 7 - 12 - 19 - 15 - 3 + 1 = 1 hmm, 1, that is not much, especially with my not very reliable counting. on the other hand, KGS SE is more optimistic than me and because i am stronger player, i should gain more in the endgame
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:39 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Wcm182 Move #190, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | B O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm182 Move #190, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . . X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | B O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, I'm a little behind now, but there's no reason not to finish the game and count it.
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:30 am
by Laman
$$Wcm192 Move #192-4, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . a b X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X 1 O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . 3 X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm192 Move #192-4, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . a b X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X 1 O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . 3 X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
black 193 at a or b (or elsewhere), your choice
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:35 am
by emeraldemon
$$Wcm192 Move #192-4, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . B O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm192 Move #192-4, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . B O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:03 am
by Laman
$$Wcm192 Move #196, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . W O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm192 Move #196, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . W O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i changed b C17 to w C17 in the upper left corner
now i have 5 or so points in the current area, which were not included in the last count
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:52 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 Move #196, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . 3 O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . 2 O 1 X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #196, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . 3 O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . 2 O 1 X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:11 pm
by Laman
$$Bcm1 Move #200, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . W X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #200, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . W X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O . X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:18 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 Move #200, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . 4 O 3 . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . 5 . O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . 2 O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O 1 X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Move #200, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . 4 O 3 . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . O . O O X . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X O . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O X X O . . O O X . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O . X O X . X O X O . . O X X . | $$ | O . X O . O O O X X X X O . O . O O X | $$ | . O X O . . . . X . . 5 . O X O O O . | $$ | O X X O . O X . X O . O . O X X X O O | $$ | O O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . X O | $$ | O X X O . 2 O X X O X X . O X X . X X | $$ | X . X . . O 1 X O O O . . O O X X . . | $$ | . X . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . X O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | X O O O O . O O O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]