$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . 6 . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . 6 . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He obviously wants to start the ko, so it's probably not good for me
This seems quite safe, although his chances of living with his invasion are much bigger now. OTOH, I think I may win this even if he does live.
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:01 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , 7 X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , 7 X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Hmm. Seems too passive for black. Oh well. Let's break up the bottom~
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:17 am
by tj86430
$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:43 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:43 pm
by jts
I hate it when I come back to a game after a while and forget who I was rooting for!
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:45 am
by tj86430
$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
With shorter time settings I would probably play a safer move (1 point to the right), but I haven't been able to read anything catastrophic into this. Besides, this is a learning experience, and I again want to see what I have missed this time.
According to my reading white will be able to live, but I will get sente and I can try to cut off the top of his group with L10
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:47 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:55 am
by tj86430
$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:38 pm
by Kirby
$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 3 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 3 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't know what will happen.
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:51 pm
by tj86430
$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I read this through, but we'll soon see
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:54 pm
by Kirby
$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:12 pm
by tj86430
$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 8 X X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 8 X X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:15 pm
by Loons
@Kirby
If you don't mind, where are you seeing this ending? *I mean, obviously it's slightly unclear, but I'm sure you have an idea
@tj
If you don't mind, where are you seeing this ending?
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:18 pm
by Laman
both players raise bets, which is exciting for spectators, but i doubt it is advantegous for both of them. specifically, if white dies, he loses anyway, so he wants to make the fight bigger, to possibly gain more and to get bigger potential of living. however, if black himself said he expected white to live, why does he play to kill by all means?
still, killing is a tempting option and i wish black all luck in the world to succeed
Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:10 pm
by Loons
@Laman
As someone else who plays perhaps-mistakes similar to , I think the justification is that it increases white's distance from settling, which isn't necessarily going for the kill.
Say, if we live like this
$$Wc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . 0 9 7 3 1 O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . 8 4 5 2 X X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Wc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . | $$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . O X . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . X . . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , O X . X . X X O X | $$ | . . . 0 9 7 3 1 O O X O . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . . 8 4 5 2 X X X O . O . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
, I think the justification is that it increases white's distance from settling, which isn't necessarily going for the kill.