34. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm111 Move 111 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . W X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm112 Move 112 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . B O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
To be honest, I didn't consider his response. I think that it's pretty good. I don't know why I didn't think of it.
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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prokofiev wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
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[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
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$$ | . . b . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b1: is better, IMO. It is true that White's thickness speaks against a severe attack. However, letting White have an easy two space extension is too lax. This pincer restricts White to an extension to "a". Also, if White now invades at "b", Black has room to extend to "a". Then neither invasion will have a base, but Black will. :)
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[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 3 . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
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$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This way Black "gets the last (big) move" though. How much does this matter?
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[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . X . 4 . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 , 3 . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is white okay here after taking the big move on the top? (Maybe 3 isn't best, but substitute some similar move if you prefer.)
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[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 3 . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 , 5 . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . 4 . 6 . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This way there's a fight.
I regard the pincer as the last big play of the opening. The extension on top is definitely second tier because of White's wall.

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Last edited by Bill Spight on Tue May 25, 2010 4:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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White gained back the balance of points with his 3-3 invasion.

I have to be careful now, because the score is too close for comfort.
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm113 Move 113 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now i wait and see what he will play
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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If there ever was an optimal time to count for Black, it'd be now (though he should have also counted earlier, but this is just a great checkpoint).
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm114 Move 114 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The game is pretty close, but this opportunity is too good to pass up. When I cut, white will have three groups to worry about, while all of my groups are pretty safe:
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[go]$$Wcm1 white 1 can be anything that protects.
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , W W X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W W . . . X X O |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . 5 W X W B O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 4 O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . W W X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . W . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W W X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I continue to just play passively, I think I'll lose. I need to attack!

I probably won't kill anything, but hopefully I can gain points with this attack.
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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Bill Spight wrote:
I regard the pincer as the last big play of the opening. The extension on top is definitely second tier because of White's wall.
Thanks, that makes sense, though I feared white's territory at the top more than expecting black to get a bunch, but maybe black's extension still doesn't limit it/change things so much?

Also, maybe the bottom left invasion was in the same (second tier) class as the extension on the top anyways.
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm115 Move 115 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X W |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i have been waiting for this. i think i can get sente and go ahead.
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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Wow, Kirby doesn't even need to play a ko threat here does he ?
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[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X 2 X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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I was just thinking that, though I would have put your 19 at S1. Even being able to do the both of the attacks Kirby wants, I'd rather have my life be assured than ko. Or am I misreading the bottom corner's L&D status? Regardless, he definitely gets to do one for free. This makes it, what, a picnic ko for the white stones at S14?
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm116 Move 116 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . B |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X W X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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[go]$$Bcm118 Move 118 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . B . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . W . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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