$$Bcm111 Move 111 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . W X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm111 Move 111 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . W X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:48 am
by Kirby
$$Bcm112 Move 112 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . B O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm112 Move 112 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . B O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
To be honest, I didn't consider his response. I think that it's pretty good. I don't know why I didn't think of it.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:57 am
by Bill Spight
prokofiev wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . 1 , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . b . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . 1 , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . b . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
is better, IMO. It is true that White's thickness speaks against a severe attack. However, letting White have an easy two space extension is too lax. This pincer restricts White to an extension to "a". Also, if White now invades at "b", Black has room to extend to "a". Then neither invasion will have a base, but Black will.
$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . . 3 . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . . 3 . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This way Black "gets the last (big) move" though. How much does this matter?
$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . 4 . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . 1 , 3 . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . 4 . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . 1 , 3 . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is white okay here after taking the big move on the top? (Maybe 3 isn't best, but substitute some similar move if you prefer.)
$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . . 3 . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . 1 , 5 . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . 4 . 6 . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Move 106 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . . 3 . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . 1 , 5 . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . 4 . 6 . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This way there's a fight.
I regard the pincer as the last big play of the opening. The extension on top is definitely second tier because of White's wall.
Edit: All unhidden.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:05 am
by Kirby
White gained back the balance of points with his 3-3 invasion.
I have to be careful now, because the score is too close for comfort.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:29 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm113 Move 113 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm113 Move 113 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now i wait and see what he will play
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:39 am
by Solomon
If there ever was an optimal time to count for Black, it'd be now (though he should have also counted earlier, but this is just a great checkpoint).
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:58 am
by Kirby
$$Bcm114 Move 114 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm114 Move 114 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The game is pretty close, but this opportunity is too good to pass up. When I cut, white will have three groups to worry about, while all of my groups are pretty safe:
$$Wcm1 white 1 can be anything that protects. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . W X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , W W X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W W . . . X X O | $$ | . . W . . . . . . 5 W X W B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 4 O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . W W X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . W . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . 1 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W W X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 white 1 can be anything that protects. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . W X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , W W X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W W . . . X X O | $$ | . . W . . . . . . 5 W X W B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 6 4 O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . W W X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . W . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . 1 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W W X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I continue to just play passively, I think I'll lose. I need to attack!
I probably won't kill anything, but hopefully I can gain points with this attack.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:34 pm
by prokofiev
Bill Spight wrote:
I regard the pincer as the last big play of the opening. The extension on top is definitely second tier because of White's wall.
Thanks, that makes sense, though I feared white's territory at the top more than expecting black to get a bunch, but maybe black's extension still doesn't limit it/change things so much?
Also, maybe the bottom left invasion was in the same (second tier) class as the extension on the top anyways.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:05 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm115 Move 115 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X W | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm115 Move 115 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X W | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i have been waiting for this. i think i can get sente and go ahead.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:08 pm
by topazg
Wow, Kirby doesn't even need to play a ko threat here does he ?
$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X 1 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X 2 X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X 1 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X 2 X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:14 pm
by Chew Terr
I was just thinking that, though I would have put your 19 at S1. Even being able to do the both of the attacks Kirby wants, I'd rather have my life be assured than ko. Or am I misreading the bottom corner's L&D status? Regardless, he definitely gets to do one for free. This makes it, what, a picnic ko for the white stones at S14?
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:19 pm
by Kirby
$$Bcm116 Move 116 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . B | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm116 Move 116 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . B | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I guess I should respond for life.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:49 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X W X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X W X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:57 pm
by Kirby
$$Bcm118 Move 118 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . B . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm118 Move 118 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O B O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . B . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Living meekly...
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:01 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm119 Move 119 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . W . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . W . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
is better, IMO. It is true that White's thickness speaks against a severe attack. However, letting White have an easy two space extension is too lax. This pincer restricts White to an extension to "a". Also, if White now invades at "b", Black has room to extend to "a". Then neither invasion will have a base, but Black will. 