$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'll take gote to take this point, because not only is it at least reverse sente, it also changes the status of all these stones in the middle:
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . b . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . B W X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . W 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X W . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . a . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . b . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . B W X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . W 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X W . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . a . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now I have a nice followup at "a", and the capture at "b" is sente if White tenukis now.
EDIT:
I can now also aim at this ko:
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O 3 . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . 4 O 5 O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O 3 . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . 4 O 5 O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or, if I get that move in my previous sequence in the top left:
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X B . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 3 O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O 2 4 5 . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X B . . . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 3 O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O 2 4 5 . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:43 am
by Magicwand
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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:52 am
by topazg
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . . X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:09 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
big!
edit
43-44 trade was to protect the cut by ko.
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:34 am
by topazg
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you want to accept
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:58 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i did quick count and i am down few points... i will make something happen here.
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:59 am
by topazg
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Time to test all that reading earlier ..
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:02 am
by Magicwand
i can not live by itself. but after below...how is he going to answer???? it is still a fight.... and i have nothing to lose. it is a fight and i think whit will win this. (but i am not sure)
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . 0 | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . 0 | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:36 am
by topazg
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tell me this is at best a J group
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:51 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:32 am
by topazg
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you accept
I've been doing some reading. The good news is, it's a J group. The bad news is, it's ko. I had completely forgotten I need to be able to ignore his hane on the other side (at ), as a result, I need to think very carefully about my after counting ko threats. At least I have some reasonable ones, but so does he.
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:06 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:26 pm
by topazg
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Did I misread? Did magicwand? Is this now a dead J? Can anyone help?
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:35 pm
by The Intrepid
@topzag
What did you expect Magicwand to play?
Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:43 pm
by Uberdude
@topazg et al
Yes, Magicwand screwed up. With the hane on the right the J group is a ko. He could also have made a ko by descending instead of making the hanging connection to make a straight J group. He could also make a less good ko after the hanging connection by playing 52 at s3. Instead he died.
Graham, before Magicwand started action in this corner what did you think the status was?
), as a result, I need to think very carefully about my 
after counting ko threats. At least I have some reasonable ones, but so does he.