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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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@Drmcw + observers:
drmwc wrote:...
It's worth considering the score.
W: 15-20 points upper left
5-10 points lower left
5-10 points lower side
5-15 points centre group
6.5 komi
Total: 36.5 to 61.5 points.

B: 5-10 points lower left
20-25 points lower right
15-20 points centre.
Total: 40-55 points.

So under the most pessimistic assumption about the endgame, I need around 20 points from my moyo to make the game close. It seems likely I'll achieve this, and that assumes best case endgame for W and worst case for B. Hence I seem to have a lead.
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Don't forget your 6-point prisoner advantage.
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think it is correct time for this probe.
i think he has to answer a and b. later if it is thick he might answer c.
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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . b a . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . c X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think below "a" is enough for me on top
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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . a . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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@ Joaz
The prisoners wre included in my count. For example, in the centre, I have captured at the point marked a. This is a base value of 12 points. If W plays the makred stone below, I won't get much more than 12 point. However, if B gets the marked stone, I will get an extra 10 points or so given that the moves mared b are mt sente.

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X a a X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . W . X a a X a X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . B . O X X a X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . b . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other big moves are shown below:


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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X W . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . B . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . B . . B O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My worst case count assumed that W got all these moves. In practice, that's not going to happen and so 20 points is more than enough for me. Hence I don't need anything fancy to win, and so my move is....




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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Possible continuation:


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 6 . . . . . . . 5 X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W trashes a small chunk of area, but I should get sente to play at 7 and B has a lot of territory and seems well ahead.
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . 2 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . 2 . 3 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's not clear to me what MW will do after this move. He may pull his stone out of atari, which gives me 2 choices:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 7 . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 6 O 4 1 5 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 2 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X 3 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The first choice for me is relatively calm. I get around 35 points a t the top, so by my earlier count I am a long way ahead. The second choice for me is at move 5:



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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 5 O 4 1 6 8 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 2 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X 3 X 7 . . 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X a X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I go on the attack. I am very thick, so this look like it may be unpleasant for W. I may actually be able to turn it into a double attack by playing at a, when W's other central group may also become ocularly challenged.

Given this, MW may well not save the single stone. for example:


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 3 . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 2 O . 1 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This gives the same result as the first diagram. Although I may leave 3 for later and play at the marked point, which is a very big move.
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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . 2 . 3 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
too hard... i have to play all the big moves in sente... almost imposible...
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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . 2 6 3 7 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X 5 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned.

I decided to avoid the hairy line, although it looks more fun.
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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 8 2 6 3 7 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X 5 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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R13 next?
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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What about Q13--is it worse, approximately equivalent, or better than R13?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The Intrepid wrote:
What about Q13--is it worse, approximately equivalent, or better than R13?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It does leave more aji in the corner compared to Joaz's move.
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I vote for Black passing - just to make the game interesting again. ;)
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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The Intrepid wrote:What about Q13--is it worse, approximately equivalent, or better than R13?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probably worse. Just doing some simple reading to common corner shapes I learnt from sensei's library when I was 10 kyu:

Ko.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X 4 . 9 |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X 2 8 |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . 3 7 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Dead:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . 4 X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . 5 3 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: magicwand versus drmwc

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[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 8 2 6 3 7 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X 5 X . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]





The biggest move. B has a solid lead, and all my groups are strong so W has very little aji.
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