PeterN's Study Journal

[Bill Spight]

Just on Bill's comment on though: I have heard this is a newer way of playing Orthodox fuseki because the re-approach after the pincer is annoying to deal with (admittedly told to me by someone who used said re-approach against me) so I've been trying this out recently. Doesn't seem to have any problems with it that I can see... as long as I actually read out the ladder!

Well, is questionable. Better to extend on the right side, eh?

[Uberdude]

Just on Bill's comment on though: I have heard this is a newer way of playing Orthodox fuseki because the re-approach after the pincer is annoying to deal with (admittedly told to me by someone who used said re-approach against me) so I've been trying this out recently. Doesn't seem to have any problems with it that I can see... as long as I actually read out the ladder!

Well, is questionable. Better to extend on the right side, eh?

is one of the most popular pro openings at the moment.

[Bill Spight]

Just on Bill's comment on though: I have heard this is a newer way of playing Orthodox fuseki because the re-approach after the pincer is annoying to deal with (admittedly told to me by someone who used said re-approach against me) so I've been trying this out recently. Doesn't seem to have any problems with it that I can see... as long as I actually read out the ladder!

Well, is questionable. Better to extend on the right side, eh?

is one of the most popular pro openings at the moment.

[PeterN]

And I've now gone through this on my own, my own comments are below, largely mirroring what's already been said, though I didn't notice a few of the options pointed out, nor notice on my own that I wasn't playing endgame well (though I generally assume I'm not): -

19 - Why oh why....
31 - Should play P10 instead
37 - Wow, never even considered C2, but it looks to work
39 - Aping a joseki I have seen but don't know
45 - Probably an overplay, D7 I think is best, do not want to give W an unoppossed move at D6
55 - C10 could be a good probe, but W C11 in response could get tricky
57 - I really need to look at learning re-approaches....
67 - Near automatic play intending to push towards opponent's area, not a good after the previous move, G17 better locally but probably skip immediately to F9
69 - Had not considered cutting there, nice though
75 - Yeah, overplay
77 - Should have connected not captured
79 - Maybe this is adventurous, but taking on this area of W's feels necessary right now
83 - K10 looks like a better way to try to start escaping
89 - Stop attacking with weak groups! At least give the stone up if the poke doesn't work
91 - L10 instead and continue to try to escape?
95 - Greedy....
130 - Thank you!
197 - Q18, Q1, S13, L18, and G17 are all larger or sente I think
207 - Yeah, not needed yet
239 - Also not the largest point left

Main problems: Not reading, aping joseki mindlessly, playing automatic moves, greed/insane attack, general endgame

PeterN

[PeterN]

Tsumego: Started reading Graded Go Problems for Beginners III again
Games Reviewed: 1 lost game (the one already in this thread)
Other: None

Continued with my normal tsumego times, stopped reading Invincible as per ez4u's advice. One of those weeks where it feels like time to give up -_-

PeterN

[PeterN]

Progress Report: -

Tsumego: Finished reading Graded Go Problems for Beginners III (96.7% correct)
Games Reviewed: 3 lost games
Other: None

Ok, raring to go further this week after getting over last week and then get hit by a lot of outside stuff (*grumble grumble*), so down to a fairly average week.

Made a slight improvement on the correct rate on the tsumego book this time round and took roughly the same amount of time as the last attempt, so will be stepping back up to the pain of volume four. I'm beginning to start reading in my games again, and it's amazing how many more things are beginning to die if my opponent decides to tenuki Of course, one of my lost games this week that was reviewed was what happens when trying that sort of trick against a 2D in an even game (hint: I die instead).

One disaster of a game reviewed, with help from a friendly 4D player: -

http://files.gokgs.com/games/2015/2/11/shui48-PeterN.sgf

- If W jumps into the corner I intend to block at Q17
- Slight joseki mistake by me, should turn before this extension not the other way around
- Apparently because of this, which I haven't seen before
- Again I am surprised
- Should be Q18 instead?
- Not sure if I'm being clever or outsmarting myself here....
- Too passive, should be P18
- Should double hane
- J18 is urgent, reduces W to one eye at the top
- Even ignoring the previous comment this is still bad as it invites W C8, should be at E6 instead to protect/build the moyo
- Should just connect at D11
- Should probe at O2 first
- Bad, think I should just move towards my group
- Far too deep
+100
- Run away?
- Run away?!
- Run away?!?!
- Why am I trying to fight here...?
- Just repeat that comment for every remaining move pretty much

PeterN

[PeterN]

Progress Report: -

Tsumego: Started reading Graded Go Problems for Beginners IV
Games Reviewed: 2 lost games
Other: Continued reading Perceiving the Direction of Play

I am forgetting to make groups live again....

PeterN

[tentano]

Blunders happen.

Relax, forgive yourself, and then resolve to do better next time.

You'll always veer between being too careful and being too heedless. That's the nature of the game.

The level of your blunders should increase with tsumego practice. Or so they say.

[PeterN]

I had to read your comment twice there... the amount of blunders will increase with tsumego practise...? Then re-read

This is the game that prompted my rather short post yesterday: -

http://files.gokgs.com/games/2015/2/22/bdnelson22-PeterN.sgf

An unusual game for the number of low stones at the start, haven't played a game like that for a long time that I recall. Have reviewed this game, we went over it together, but don't have time to post proper comments as on my lunch break at the moment.

Then there's also this game which I played: -

http://files.gokgs.com/games/2015/2/22/ami2-PeterN.sgf

I may have won this won but the style by W made it feel like I was being battered around a fair chunk, and I got lucky with my kill, so I need to review this one at some point.

EDIT: Also just noticed that this month I have had 4 games finishing at 0.5 points difference and a further 6 at under 10 points difference, compared with last month which had 0 and 3 respectively. Need to grind out those last few points....

PeterN

[tentano]

First game:

Why poke here if it's not worth playing the follow-up? Either way, it's a mistake.
This makes me think white should have played F17 before, so this could be answered with C12 or something.
this seems a touch on the small side.
I hope this was a misclick. This just looks silly.
No pressure on anything. Just a single-purpose land grab of minimal size.
White has awakened to the unfolding tragedy.
Is this really the time to tenuki?
CUT! Black doesn't need an escape route.
+100:
Ow.

Not too bad overall, just a little more vim and you'd have the upper hand.

Second game:

It's not just a tengen, it's a takatengen!
More wtf. Begging for N4 maybe? How is that even good for white?
Going for solid, safe moves in the face of wtf often works.
This is just a bad move. I don't see any good, solid potential, either along the side or into the corner.
Splitting is a decent decision. Weird moves are meant to confuse you, so leaving white as weak as possible is good.
I think I'd just play R13. It helps the top right corner slightly, and establishes a base. I also want to see more of these unorthodox moves. The group at R8 seems wholly ineffective.
White just solidified your wall, in order to make that little group heavy.
seems a bit adventurous, but white didn't really make use of it.
This group will probably live. Bigger points abound.
Probably cut at D17
+100
I'd push in from L9
Bad mistake.
This only makes sense if you think the white group is definitely dead if it doesn't connect out. I would have gone for K9, because I like dogs. Or because it seems to connect things nicely.
You know white wants to connect out, so why not add in J9 first?
Q2 is better in this sort of situation.
M17 prevents that nasty crawl-under problem.
+200
Two-point gote. Surely, there is more, still?

White plays for creativity, but loses track of winning. You could probably still have won this game without the big capture, but that really killed off all hope for white.

Both games show you're a little closer to excessive caution than to heedless violence, but you're going to err on one of those sides anyway.

[PeterN]

First Game: -

- Never quite sure about playing this or K4
- Not so sure it's a mistake, B is likely to respond and it makes the group very secure
- This looks small though, would have expected an enclosure at F17, though there are other choices
- Perhaps this is small, but the corner gets hurt badly if this is ignored, and everything looks pretty secure
- I'm pretty sure this is a standard response as it gives better endgame than a straight connection
- Board is flat, can't see anything to do better than pressing down
- A cut at P12 or an invasion at the bottom had been expected, or at least B17 if playing on that group
- Guess I'll try to build a moyo
- I thought this was a nice move for W, I can't see any way to attack this that I think will succeed
- Probably should have played either N4 to safely defend and apply pressure, or something in the J7 area if I really want to attack
- Calculated risk of starting a fight, alternative would be P11 to stay connected
- Looks small, maybe should have taken R17 instead of letting W take it
- I'm already in the lead, I should just solidify by playing more endgame at K18, however I had not counted.
- Cutting didn't cross my mind in the game or during review
+100
- Catastrophic mis-read starts here
- Resignation definitely went through my mind at noticing what I'd just let happen
- Ends in gote, at least play S6 first
- Didn't notice this before it was played
+200
- Play at M8 first?

Second game: -

- Joy....
- If W wants to confuse me, W has succeeded
- Optimisitc, but didn't lose sente at least
- O12 would work better I think
- C17 better perhaps, save being split apart
- I'm sure this cannot have been my best option
+100
- The stones aren't worth it, K9 looks good
- My group is too weak for me to pick a fight here yet
- Yeah, mistake
+200
-

This second game still leaves me confused.

PeterN

[tentano]

I now comment upon your comment upon my comment!

#1:
Well, if you don't respond, is that a sign of it being good? If it only serves one purpose, it's bad. It's FAR too early for single-purpose moves.
& Well, I've never seen it, but apparently it does feature in some online joseki dictionaries. Live and learn.

#2:
+100
I guess I prefer cutting over living. I like to die dangerously.

Having looked at the second game a second time, it still confuses me too. Especially . If there's a grand plan behind this, I'd love to hear about it.

[PeterN]

Quad-meta comment! (Ok, this is getting silly )

- If B doesn't respond what about W M17, that looks very nice for W if W gets that too.

PeterN

[tentano]

I think what's needed is an expert. The more I stare at this, the less I feel sure about it.

[Shaddy]

I am an expert. 12 is bad.