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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:33 pm
by emeraldemon
Technically I think it's "He is stronger than I am".

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:39 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


sort of probe..
i will explain more later

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:18 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . 9 O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I know White can connect from underneath. It's a little difficult for me to explain why I want to play this move; the best way I can say it is that the move 'weakens the connection'. There is also the small side benefit of getting him to force me to capture Q1 (e.g, in the endgame scenario where he gets S6 and T5, I can now just block.)

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:12 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if you answer then i will play as below.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , 2 . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 1 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

does he sees something i dont see???
i dont think that is a good move.
as i explained he can not tenuki.
and my group has lifeline miai @ 'a' and top.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , 2 . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a O X O 1 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

it seems that he is answering every move i make.
i guess that is good thing but it also means that he feels that he is ahead...:D

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:28 am
by phrax
@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , S . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . S . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




What do you think is a better response to your move? Is around the marked areas (to my kyu-ish brain, those were my first thoughts) or a tenuki?

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:42 am
by Magicwand
phrax wrote:@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , S . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . S . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




What do you think is a better response to your move? Is around the marked areas (to my kyu-ish brain, those were my first thoughts) or a tenuki?

i was looking at this...but i think tenuki was the best answer to my probe.
since he answered it i dont think he will tenuki.
i have no idea how he will play..
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm68 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X 4 6 . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . 8 3 2 5 X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 7 9 1 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:09 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . 3 . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm bed-ridden with a god awful flu, but I just want to get this move out of the way. I'll explain my move and go into my previous move more when I feel better.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:23 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X 4 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i didnnt read too much about this move... but i have a feeling it can not be good for black.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:09 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
That must be a horrible flu. My initial opinion is that Araban just gave the game away in the last two moves. :sad:


EDIT:
After 10 minutes analysis, I still hold that opinion.


EDIT2:
I think that it is time to quarantine Seattle.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:13 pm
by topazg
phrax wrote:@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , S . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . S . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




What do you think is a better response to your move? Is around the marked areas (to my kyu-ish brain, those were my first thoughts) or a tenuki?


FWIW, my choice would be:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . 9 . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Simply because it seems to connect everything in relatively good shape. it's a painful move of magicwand's to respond to :(

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:46 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O 5 X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

One-way streets are one-way streets; see previous post.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:12 pm
by Harleqin
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O 9 . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . a , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would ignore :w68:. It does not threaten anything big, as far as I can see; it is just endgame. The two black stones are not important at all.

I do not know what Araban had in mind on the top, but perhaps :b69: would be a continuation. 'a' or 'b' look nice, too.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:14 pm
by SpongeBob
Araban is pretty relaxed although the situation seems desperate. Also he speaks about a previous post, but no one-way-street is mentioned there ...

IS HE POSTING IN FEVER?

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:49 pm
by RedStick
SpongeBob wrote:
Araban is pretty relaxed although the situation seems desperate. Also he speaks about a previous post, but no one-way-street is mentioned there ...

IS HE POSTING IN FEVER?


I think he means he's still not feeling well enough to elaborate.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:12 pm
by hyperpape
RedStick wrote:
SpongeBob wrote:Araban is pretty relaxed although the situation seems desperate. Also he speaks about a previous post, but no one-way-street is mentioned there ...

IS HE POSTING IN FEVER?


I think he means he's still not feeling well enough to elaborate.
Semicolons FTW.