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33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:02 pm
by Kirby
I guess you guys will remember prisoners in your final count...

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:03 pm
by Chew Terr
Thanks, zinger, I'll try to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:04 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X 3 |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . 2 |
$$ | X . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, my turn, not to be wasted! Seems like a good time to take the sente play on the right edge.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:07 pm
by zinger
Chew Terr wrote:Thanks, zinger, I'll try to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.


My pleasure.

Notice that white has the same idea at K19.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:07 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X 3 |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . 4 2 |
$$ | X . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:13 pm
by zinger
I'm going to take a breather and think about this now. It is so close, that every move could be the difference between winning and losing. I can't afford another careless mistake like C13.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:23 pm
by quantumf
Kirby wrote:I guess you guys will remember prisoners in your final count...


Black captured a stone at R14, while white captured stones at C17, B2, F4 and G3. Were there others? Probably worth the players keeping track of the prisoners in the posts.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:25 pm
by Magicwand
i am losing few points and i dont think i can make it up unless he make a big mistake....
i didnt bother count and thought i was winning.. my bad..
but..i think i will have one more chance.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:46 pm
by zinger
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[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand, I added the prisoner count in the diagram caption, please verify.

This is worth 7 points by itself. It may also give me a point or two of equity in the F15 area, since I can more easily ignore white there. I guess that is biggest right now .. but I was so sad to find no sente moves.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:59 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wc prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . 2 . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X 1 X X O . O X 3 , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow..that look small..compare to what i played..

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:04 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:11 pm
by Chew Terr
While it's not sente, Q10 seems pretty big for black, as it either threatens white's eyespace or captures S9 for several points.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:11 pm
by HKA
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?


Yes. I was unaware of the prisoner count - with zinger being up by 4 there, I think he is ok. P19 followed by k18 seems like sente to me, then r9 should make him comfortable

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:12 pm
by Chew Terr
Oh, thanks HKA. K18 skips to the same effect with less waste.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:13 pm
by Kirby
HKA wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?


Yes. I was unaware of the prisoner count - with zinger being up by 4 there, I think he is ok. P19 followed by k18 seems like sente to me, then r9 should make him comfortable


zinger is down by 4 prisoners, isn't he?
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