$$Bcm119 Move 119 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X B X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X B X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Too big to ignore.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:12 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm121 Move 121 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X W . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 Move 121 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X W . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:19 pm
by Kirby
$$Bcm121 Move 121 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . B . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 Move 121 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . B . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:18 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm121 Move 121 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O W . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 Move 121 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O W . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it is about time i save them stone. i dont think he can cut me easily now.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:30 pm
by FlameBlade
I hated how black played last few moves. It's too submissive! I feel like black could have offered up an exchange, and maybe fought that ko. White feels like he has momentum, and last few moves meant more points for the thickness.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:44 pm
by Kirby
$$Bcm122 Move 122 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . B X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm122 Move 122 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . B X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Bleh, that sucks. I thought I might get a chance to get sente, but I was too naive. I should have taken his stones. It was a good 15 or 20 points, and he probably wouldn't have gotten quite that much if I ignored one of his last two moves... The only thing for me to do now is to cut as per the original plan.
The hard thing about go, to me, is that you cannot let up for the entire game. You can have a plan that seems like it will work, and things can go well for you... And then you can screw it up.
I'm trying not to let that happen, but I'm getting a bit worn out. I'll try to hang on, but I feel a bit discouraged.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:58 pm
by Kirby
I don't think the cut is going to work well, now. Maybe I should resign. I should probably wait until I don't feel as emotional, though, so I'm not going to quite, yet.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:00 pm
by Kirby
Maybe not. I counted a bit, and I think I still might be in the running... But maybe I should not cut. I need to make sure white doesn't get points in the center. Maybe this can work out. Maybe I can do it...
I'm having a very emotional experience right now.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:18 pm
by Kirby
I'm looking forward to the hidden comments for this game. There have been a good amount of them.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:46 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm123 Move 123 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W B X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm123 Move 123 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W B X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok..he is going to cut anyway.. is it going to work? maybe maybe not. i guess it will be my last homework.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:10 am
by zinger
topazg wrote:
Wow, Kirby doesn't even need to play a ko threat here does he ?
$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X 1 a | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X 2 X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X 1 a | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X 2 X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I really agree, black should have done this. Except that 117 should be at a to guarantee the cut. Otherwise white can link in ko by playing there.
Once black does that, he has made an exchange of equal-size groups - except that the one he gave up isn't dead yet! It can still live in ko. Not to mention black gets sente to cut in the center (or do whatever). Great exchange for black.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:40 am
by Kirby
$$Bcm123 Move 123 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm123 Move 123 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . | $$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . O O . . . X X O | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O | $$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X | $$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, there you have it. Another inconsistent move by Kirby. If I wasn't going to cut, why did I play the last move?
Well, I think I played the last move because I was frustrated with how I handled the chance Magicwand gave me. I think I could have played better and gotten a big lead - but I didn't, so I got mad.
I've calmed down now. If I count only solid points, I can optimistically consider myself about 8 points ahead - if white doesn't make center points... So, I'll try to take away center points.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:44 am
by topazg
But, but, but, cutting is so big right now! White ends up with two unsettled groups, and in trying to settle them may cripple his left side stones, why would you let him fix those two groups completely?
To Zinger: You are quite right about the ko on right, don't know how I missed that, your "a" is much better.
Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:34 am
by Magicwand
i will give some though on my next move.. sorry for the wait.
