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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:22 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm119 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]



trigger
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[go]$$Bm119 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 O 2 . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 3 X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


logical

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:32 am
by EdLee
Trigger accepted.
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[go]$$Wm118 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 4 X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Although I had wanted to play the sequence starting with W116 a long time,
I didn't play it because I was not sure I would end in sente. I got lucky.

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:39 am
by Bill Spight
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[go]$$Bm121 Captures:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . 7 5 3 X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . 6 4 2 X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 1 O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I think that Black can get away with :b21:.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:44 am
by EdLee
Funny business.
The aji here is bad for W:
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[go]$$W :w1: tenuki
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O 9 7 5 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O 8 O 6 4 2 O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O 0 . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm11
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O O O O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O 1 O X X X O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O X . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O 3 . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . 2 4 . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
And even with the bamboo joint :w1:...
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O 9 7 5 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O 8 O 6 4 2 O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O 0 . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . 1 . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
...there are still problems (if W blocks with :w13: )...
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[go]$$Wm11
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O O O O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O 1 O X X X O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O X . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 4 O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 5 O 6 . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X 2 3 . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Of course, it's another story if W is willing to give up something, like not running with :w3:,
or saving the 2 stones with :w15:, etc. Let's see what's the best way to reply locally...
Variation:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . 1 . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . 2 . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Variation:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . 1 . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:43 pm
by FlameBlade
Interesting game, and will be a great game to review in detail. My overall feeling is that black has really slipped in yose, playing a lot of moves while there was a big move on the bottom for like forever. White just kept taking a lot of big points throughout the game.

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:37 pm
by Magicwand
Bill Spight wrote:
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[go]$$Bm121 Captures:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . 7 5 3 X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . 6 4 2 X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 1 O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I think that Black can get away with :b21:.

i was thinking same thing :)

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:27 am
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm122 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X 1 . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:16 am
by Uberdude
White has a problem here, should have bambooed.

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[go]$$Bm123 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O b 0 8 2 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O a O 9 7 1 O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O c . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 6 O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 5 3 4 . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


So probably what should happen (locally, could be bigger moves elsewhere):

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[go]$$Bm123 Good yose
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . 2 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . 1 O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 9 O 6 . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 5 3 4 . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O 8 . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . 7 . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


My guess of what will happen, giving white at least 3 more points than he deserves (black also makes some harder to count gain in squared area in the good sequence):

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[go]$$Bm123 Bad yose
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 1 O T . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 3 2 T . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O T . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . S . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:50 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm123 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger
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[go]$$Bm123 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 5 O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 4 3 . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:54 am
by EdLee
Interesting. Knee-jerk reaction is just to block. But, too sleepy; will study later, then read his Trigger.

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:46 am
by EdLee
Trigger accepted:
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[go]$$Bm123 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 5 O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 4 3 . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:39 am
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm128 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . 1 . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
If :w1: tenuki...
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[go]$$W :w1: tenuki
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . 9 7 5 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O 0 O 8 6 4 O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . 2 3 . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |[/go]
...then :w13: cannot fill at :b10: (connect-and-die):
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[go]$$Bm10
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O 2 O O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O 1 O X X X O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O 3 . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . X O . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:08 am
by LexC
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[go]$$B129 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . O . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


trigger

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[go]$$Bc129 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . O . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 3 O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


In trigger white 3 is reverse sente so it's 5 points cash taking at k15 is 4 points in double gote so there is only half chance to take it so it worth only 2 points As I counted the game is very close

white can ignore black 1
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[go]$$B129 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 2 O . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . 5 . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . 1 . X 4 6 |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


white can't ignore this black 1
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[go]$$B129 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O X O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 2 O . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X X O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 4 3 1 . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . 5 . . X . O X . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . X . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X O . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . O . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:56 am
by illluck
I don't understand the triggered move. For one thing the descent is better because it doesn't give white the throw-in, for another the kosumi in the first analysis diagram seems pretty clearly sente?

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:45 am
by EdLee
Again, sleep time. Will think about blocking, then read trigger.

A little consolation that even with the 7 :bt: stones, B still has not captured :wc::
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X O . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . Y Y O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . Y W Y O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . Y W . O . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . Y Y O . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . O X . . X O . . |[/go]