$$Wcm140 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O 1 . . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm140 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O 1 . . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 9:38 am
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm140 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O 1 2 . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm140 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O 1 2 . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:18 pm
by opex
$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O 1 . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O 1 . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Kikashi before connecting. I guess if i just build the left side, i'll still be behind.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:20 pm
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O 1 2 O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O 1 2 O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Only answer. after this sequence, I will either have won, or spectacularly thrown away my lead
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:14 am
by opex
$$Wcm144 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm144 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If not this move then which?
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:41 am
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm144 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm144 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is why I think his last move was a mistake.
$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 3 X O . X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm142 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 3 X O . X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is worse for My eyespace, and ends in Sente
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:49 am
by The Intrepid
opex wrote:If not this move then which?
Well, this move does not work so it was better to leave it as a ko threat. White's only chance left is to do massive damage to Black's territory on the bottom--by living there or by killing the bottom-left corner. Therefore, White should aim at the cut at "a." I did not read here, but perhaps White can start with some move in the marked area:
$$Wcm144 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . ? ? X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X a . ? ? ? ? . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm144 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . ? ? X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X a . ? ? ? ? . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Edit:
Wait, what is Black doing?
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . 6 3 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . 7 5 2 O 4 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . 6 3 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . 7 5 2 O 4 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black wins this caputing race, does he not?
Edit2:
This move for White would not work either:
$$Wcm6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . 2 1 O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . 4 O X 6 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . 5 O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . 2 1 O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . X X X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . 4 O X 6 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . 5 O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:17 pm
by Shinkenjoe
The Intrepid wrote:Edit:Wait, what is Black doing?
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . 6 3 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . 7 5 2 O 4 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . 6 3 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . 7 5 2 O 4 X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black wins this caputing race, does he not?
Game line is different now.
I guess something like that could happen, with connecting and maybe some other
$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 7 . 6 . a O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X 4 X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X 3 . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 2 . . b . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . d X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , c . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 7 . 6 . a O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X 4 X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X 3 . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 2 . . b . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . d X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , c . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Fighting for life at a to d.
With this line the top looks dead to me the group below can connect or make two eyes
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:31 pm
by Shinkenjoe
$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 3 . . 2 . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X 4 X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . d X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , c . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 X O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 3 . . 2 . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X 4 X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . d X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , c . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I rather think he will try to save the whole group. Looks promising At d Black will get an eye and maybe at top.
edit: oh Black must connect first at
Hmmm
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:05 pm
by opex
$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 C O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 C O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Forced. I think it's better than d14:
$$Wcm146 Miai for an eye (not a big matter though, he can still connect) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . b . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X 2 X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X a . X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |
[go]$$Wcm146 Miai for an eye (not a big matter though, he can still connect) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . b . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X 2 X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X a . X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 O X X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . |[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:33 am
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 C O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X 2 . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm146 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . 1 C O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X 2 . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I am trusting that this should be sente since now I can cut his group in half.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:55 pm
by The Intrepid
This game's exciting! ... and to think opex was almost ready to throw in the towel at one point. Never give up, never surrender!
There is a problem for Black here. Black intends to cut White if White tenukis. However, cutting takes away liberties from his own group on the right, potentially leading to a huge ko fight:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If Black responds to this move, then White lived in sente, letting him come back to defend his group on the left. In other words, this would mean that White tenukied and got away with it, absent consequence. If Black does not respond to , on the other hand, White will begin the ko:
$$Wcm6 tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O O O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X C X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O 2 O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm6 tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O O O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X C X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O 2 O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think Black can fight this ko. Therefore, this option is no good for Black, either ... and that's assuming White has to play and can't tenuki again at that point.
In any case, Black suddenly seems to be in great deal of trouble. The blunder on move 145 may well come to cost Black the game.
Edit:
White might consider to play the following move, which completely cuts Black group off while defending the cutting point at "a":
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O a O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . 1 X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O a O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . 1 X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:01 am
by skydyr
The Intrepid wrote:Edit:White might consider to play the following move, which completely cuts Black group off while defending the cutting point at "a":
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O a O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . 1 X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O a O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . 1 X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was looking at this too, but with one space to the left. White would still have miai to connect after blocking below A if black tries to wedge in, either capturing black's wedging stone or the other stone in a very short ladder. On reflection, though, that doesn't work after black extends to your . With this, though, things get complicated after black tries to cut the keima. Lots of ko threats for the left, and black doesn't have time to both eliminate the ko and the cut/connection by white.
Looking back, I think black should just have connected at 133 and then fought it out on the left without having to worry about his main group. I've copied that position below.
$$Wcm132 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . B . 1 . . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm132 Captures: b - 1, w - 7. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . B . 1 . . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
125 as well (marked) did not really pressure any of white's groups and allowed white the marked move to eliminate his group worries and allow a more severe attack, though I think black was still ahead. If anything, I'd be tempted to have played it a line deeper, to make it easier to live underneath if it is cut off.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:58 am
by The Intrepid
skydyr wrote:On reflection, though, that doesn't work after black extends to your .
Black may also consider this move, which threatens to live with "b".
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X b . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 2 O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X b . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 2 O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:06 am
by The Intrepid
Now that I look at the position, perhaps White should not allow Black to play , so maybe White should play there himself:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Alternatively, White may consider to deny Black an eye on top, via the following move:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
However, then Black might threaten to connect:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 2 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 2 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I guess I need to try to read a bit deeper into the position.
connecting and maybe some other 
, on the other hand, White will begin the ko:
tenuki
one space to the left. White would still have miai to connect after blocking below A if black tries to wedge in, either capturing black's wedging stone or the other stone in a very short ladder. On reflection, though, that doesn't work after black extends to your 
, so maybe White should play there himself: