Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

[kokomi]

Chew and me will play at Saturday 24th July 20.00 GMT.

[Marcus]

Kirby and I will play now. Sorry for the Short Notice.

[lindentree]

MountainGo and I will play this Friday at 2pm EST.

[Marcus]

Man, that was intense! I didn't post it last night, so here it is this morning: Kirby vs Marcus, Marcus wins, B+1.5.

A thoroughly enjoyable game, but it pushed me to my limit (and it still made the observers cringe, ). Anyone know a good way to gain at least 6 stones in strength before I go up against Tabemasu (who is, by our listed rankings, 10 stones stronger than I am)? Heh, if a 1d pushed me that hard, the 7d is going to have a field day with me.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[2400]OT[10/300 Canadian]
PW[Kirby]PB[Marcus316]BR[4k]DT[2010-07-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Marcus316 [4k]: hi, have a good game
]RE[B+1.50]
;B[qd]BL[2389.827]C[Kirby [?]: Have a good game, Marcus
]
;W[dd]WL[2359.577]C[Marcus316 [4k]: This is going to be a fun game. I've been looking forward to it.
Kirby [?]: Same here
]
;B[pp]BL[2381.513]C[redundant [3k]: mini chinese, orthodox, or white prevents?
redundant [3k]: which do you call?
Shadonra [1d]: orthodox
redundant [3k]: I want to see mini chinese
redundant [3k]: scratch that
redundant [3k]: micro chinese
Shadonra [1d]: so do I, but it doesn't show up a lot among l-in-19
]
;W[dq]WL[2285.715]
;B[fc]BL[2374.938]C[Shadonra [1d]: oh, interesting
redundant [3k]: keima
redundant [3k]: keima!
Shadonra [1d]: i bet w will pincer
Shadonra [1d]: and it'll become orthodox
redundant [3k]: which pincer do you like here?
Shadonra [1d]: one-space low is pretty much universal
Shadonra [1d]: what a long thinking time
redundant [3k]: this is a big decision
Shadonra [1d]: i would flip a coin
redundant [3k]: this decides the flow of the entire game
redundant [3k]: I'd roll a d-361
]
;W[hc]WL[2120.889]C[Shadonra [1d]: coin-flipping is the fairest way to resolve disputes
]
;B[oc]BL[2360.53]C[Shadonra [1d]: bang, called it
redundant [3k]: you called it
redundant [3k]: now does white f16?
redundant [3k]: that is the question
Shadonra [1d]: f16 and c14 are both ok
redundant [3k]: ah, forgot about c14
Shadonra [1d]: i'd probably c14
redundant [3k]: or white can play r10?
Shadonra [1d]: i think the new trend is r6
]
;W[fd]WL[2054.99]C[Shadonra [1d]: and then two-space low pincer
redundant [3k]: r10 or q10, which do you like?
Shadonra [1d]: r10, no thinking
redundant [3k]: back when I played orthodox I did q10
Shadonra [1d]: i rather have solid territory
redundant [3k]: consistent with shimari
Shadonra [1d]: q10's good too
Shadonra [1d]: maybe better
Shadonra [1d]: but preference
]
;B[do]BL[2256.573]C[redundant [3k]: i don't like this
Shadonra [1d]: magic sword?
Shadonra [1d]: i'd play large knight's approach
redundant [3k]: settle easily
redundant [3k]: I like 2 space high pincer here too
]
;W[dl]WL[1956.055]C[redundant [3k]: don't have to fear the counterpincer
redundant [3k]: which var for b, though?
fwiffo [3k]: G4?
Shadonra [1d]: oh right, ladder's good for b
Shadonra [1d]: g4 without thinking, lol
Shadonra [1d]: for some reason i thought the ladder was bad
redundant [3k]: when do you play e3 variation?
Shadonra [1d]: when never
Marcus316 [4k]: hmmm ... so many variations
Kirby [?]: Yes
Shadonra [1d]: kidding aside, i don't know
fwiffo [3k]: too many variations for this dumb joseki
fwiffo [3k]: 100 billion
Shadonra [1d]: i guess when the bottom is uninteresting
redundant [3k]: it could be worse
Shadonra [1d]: this joseki is simple
Shadonra [1d]: heh. "simple"
fwiffo [3k]: g4 has some simple variations
fwiffo [3k]: I like the one where black gets a ponnuki
fwiffo [3k]: but that seems bad for white here
Shadonra [1d]: it took me way too much thinking to figure out which var you were talking about
Shadonra [1d]: >.<
redundant [3k]: .. which one is that?
Shadonra [1d]: g4 e5 e4 d4 e6 c5 f5 c6
]
;B[fo]BL[2002.138]C[Shadonra [1d]: i think this is bad
Shadonra [1d]: b can't effectively counterpincer
redundant [3k]: called it
fwiffo [3k]: But I called a better move.
]
;W[ep]WL[1836.043]C[Shadonra [1d]: ...what?
redundant [3k]: this can't be good for white
Shadonra [1d]: this looks like super aji-keshi
redundant [3k]: nah, looks like superagi-keshi
]
;B[eo]BL[1941.97]C[lindentree [1k]: why didn't white just jump?
redundant [3k]: a question for the ages
]
;W[hq]WL[1744.195]C[Shadonra [1d]: so much aji
lindentree [1k]: oh, i guess he can go a space further, but it doesn't seem worth it
Shadonra [1d]: there is just so much aji in w's shape
redundant [3k]: white is thin
Kirby [?]: I guess hidden comments may still exist here, but I don't know if they do :-p
Shadonra [1d]: they exist big-time
Marcus316 [4k]: This is DEFINITELY not a variation I'm familiar with.
Kirby [?]: I am sure it is not joseki
]
;B[fl]BL[1670.865]C[lavalamp [1k]: c3 looks good for black...
]
;W[di]WL[1701.789]C[lindentree [1k]: might help white fix his shape though
]
;B[pj]BL[1548.721]
;W[nq]WL[1678.874]
;B[oq]BL[1541.722]
;W[np]WL[1676.193]C[Shadonra [1d]: GHK
]
;B[pn]BL[1539.506]C[Shadonra [1d]: i'm choking
lavalamp [1k]: p3 and r10 don't seem appropriate
lavalamp [1k]: *virtual hiemlich*
lavalamp [1k]: I think white should play c4 or thereabouts
]
;W[lc]WL[1532.375]
;B[ej]BL[1475.094]
;W[dj]WL[1525.903]
;B[fi]BL[1453.948]
;W[ql]WL[1510.841]C[fwiffo [3k]: I can never respond to this kind of move
lavalamp [1k]: E10 was a bad exchange for black...
lindentree [1k]: Q8?
]
;B[om]BL[1361.468]C[Shadonra [1d]: q8 feels slack
]
;W[qo]WL[1208.61]
;B[po]BL[1344.206]C[lindentree [1k]: well, P7 seemes to be ok. did you have something else in mind?
]
;W[qn]WL[1201.66]C[Shadonra [1d]: s6 maybe
Shadonra [1d]: b should switch to l4 now and use that wall
Shadonra [1d]: or l3
Aphelion02 [6k]: f8 felt the point where black was losing
fwiffo [3k]: I really want to play L3.5
Shadonra [1d]: i dunno if b is losing yet
Aphelion02 [6k]: lol
Shadonra [1d]: he can still take that top left corner
Aphelion02 [6k]: kirby plays thin
fwiffo [3k]: Seriously, I hate it when I can't decide a high or low pincer. Give me a real board and I'll play the stone ambigiously
Shadonra [1d]: i usually do high, but i've been considering low lately
Aphelion02 [6k]: just play an iron pillar fwiffo
]
;B[qp]BL[1206.921]C[fwiffo [3k]: But I don't have time for two moves.
Aphelion02 [6k]: you need to train
Aphelion02 [6k]: i'm getting pretty good at placing 2 stones simultaneously
Aphelion02 [6k]: the hard part is the grip
Shadonra [1d]: sleeve tesuji imo
Aphelion02 [6k]: if you eat enough and your fingers grow fat
Aphelion02 [6k]: that really helps
]
;W[qj]WL[966.911]
;B[qi]BL[1159.992]
;W[pi]WL[954.693]C[Shadonra [1d]: hey red, you still in pittsburgh?
redundant [3k]: yeah
Shadonra [1d]: for how long
]
;B[ph]BL[1141.527]C[redundant [3k]: 31st
Shadonra [1d]: hop into tchan's demo
Aphelion02 [6k]: oh yea red
Aphelion02 [6k]: i'm back in US
Aphelion02 [6k]: lets schedule our kuchinashi game?
]
;W[ri]WL[909.563]
;B[oi]BL[1138.759]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: kirby gave up too much..
redundant [3k]: I still have the same availability as before until the 31st
lavalamp [1k]: I think white is fine, the middle is open on both sides
Aphelion02 [6k]: what happens on the 31st?
redundant [3k]: I go home, and then anything goes
Aphelion02 [6k]: i'm talking about last move lava
redundant [3k]: unless I get hours at my job back home
Aphelion02 [6k]: i think you had to pay p11 no matter what
redundant [3k]: but I'll be much more available
Aphelion02 [6k]: mm, tomorrow 8pm?
Shadonra [1d]: w gotta s10, then b s12, w probably has to add a move to live
dfan [3k]: Wow, so much time taken already
Aphelion02 [6k]: b+time
redundant [3k]: that works
Aphelion02 [6k]: alright!
Aphelion02 [6k]: lets even this series up
Shadonra [1d]: i thought kuchinashi was 4k-6k
redundant [3k]: if by even you mean I go up 2-0, then yes
Shadonra [1d]: red should be disqualified imo
Aphelion02 [6k]: ol
redundant [3k]: i was 5k when it started
Aphelion02 [6k]: doesn't matter
Shadonra [1d]: YOU ARE TOO STRONG
Aphelion02 [6k]: 3ks, not too hard
]
;W[rk]WL[724.619]C[redundant [3k]: I'm just reverse sandbagging
]
;B[bd]BL[1129.146]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: no redundant
Aphelion02 [6k]: YOU ARE SANDBAGGING
Shadonra [1d]: bag that sand harder, red
lavalamp [1k]: ow my ears
]
;W[cc]WL[710.078]
;B[cg]BL[1122.934]C[redundant [3k]: how else do I stop the river from flooding?
Aphelion02 [6k]: b16 kinda confusing move
Shadonra [1d]: all that aji in the corner.. wasted.
dfan [3k]: I would have expected B16 at C17, dunno if it works though
Shadonra [1d]: e16, b live
Shadonra [1d]: or escape
]
;W[bf]WL[604.665]
;B[cf]BL[1113.071]C[Shadonra [1d]: i want d11 to die now
]
;W[be]WL[585.645]C[redundant [3k]: i was just thinking that
]
;B[ce]BL[1111.449]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: this will end up hurting that w group
]
;W[cd]WL[583.916]
;B[bg]BL[1109.857]C[Shadonra [1d]: fools seldom differ, eh?
]
;W[eg]WL[574.539]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: huh
redundant [3k]: great minds think alike
Shadonra [1d]: kirby is schizophrenic
Aphelion02 [6k]: cut!
dfan [3k]: Wha
redundant [3k]: In the words of a great man: whoa
Aphelion02 [6k]: this reminds me of those malkovich games vs magicwand
dfan [3k]: W thinks that B B17 is insufficient to live?
]
;B[bi]BL[1042.889]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: no, W saw what happened
Aphelion02 [6k]: and got worried
Shadonra [1d]: no, w suddenly got scared of dying
redundant [3k]: well, that worked out too well for b
lavalamp [1k]: I do not like white's position much now
Shadonra [1d]: b17 is kind of huge
Shadonra [1d]: then again, so is l3.4
Shadonra [1d]: (i'm leaning towards l3)
redundant [3k]: who wouldn't
Aphelion02 [6k]: you should be allowed to play moves based upon probability
]
;W[bk]WL[471.268]C[Shadonra [1d]: like a quantum state?
]
;B[bc]BL[1037.669]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
]
;W[bb]WL[466.199]
;B[af]BL[1035.913]C[Shadonra [1d]: this stone is in both positions until observed
Shadonra [1d]: that's kind of like a hidden move.l
Aphelion02 [6k]: it would be so great
Aphelion02 [6k]: you can't just atari a stone
Aphelion02 [6k]: u have to see if its there
redundant [3k]: entanglement would be more fun
Shadonra [1d]: if nonsensical
]
;W[rd]WL[416.366]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: and just imagine
Marcus316 [4k]: Man this is intense ... I'm shaking a bit.
Aphelion02 [6k]: you have pairs
Aphelion02 [6k]: so say, your corner stone and my approach stone
Aphelion02 [6k]: if your at 3-4, i'm at 5-3
Kirby [?]: I am just waiting to read how we (probably I) am getting flamed
Aphelion02 [6k]: kirby is 17k
dfan [3k]: Does C3 for B work?
Marcus316 [4k]: such fatalism ... last I checked, the game is fairly even ...but my counting sucks.
Shadonra [1d]: kirby shoudl resign
Aphelion02 [6k]: totally bad moves
lavalamp [1k]: actually I think white will be ok if he gets to defend the bottom
Shadonra [1d]: this is a little odd..
Loons [4k]: White is thin and has less profit hey
]
;B[rc]BL[946.878]C[Shadonra [1d]: hey loons
Loons [4k]: yo
Shadonra [1d]: b has a lot of potential in the center
lavalamp [1k]: I thought c3 was good for black before white had o3
lavalamp [1k]: now I'm not sure
Loons [4k]: D10 certainly alive ?
Aphelion02 [6k]: i'm not so convinced its 100% a live
redundant [3k]: not immortal, but should live pretty easily
]
;W[kq]WL[316.35]C[redundant [3k]: my gut says taht
dfan [3k]: Here we go
lavalamp [1k]: what has to play like it is, too slow to defend it
Loons [4k]: I would cut on principle
lavalamp [1k]: *white
dfan [3k]: Cutting is "Loons style"
Loons [4k]: Very tight though, gives white more options in reducing the centre
Loons [4k]: dfan, only when the cut is an overplay
Aphelion02 [6k]: i don't think b needs the center so much
lavalamp [1k]: l3 is so low.... :/
Aphelion02 [6k]: not that behind on territory?
Shadonra [1d]: w has around 55 pts
dfan [3k]: How big is B S12?
Shadonra [1d]: b has.. less.
Shadonra [1d]: very large
Shadonra [1d]: play it now?
Aphelion02 [6k]: mmm
dfan [3k]: Feels like a huge difference between B S12 and W S 12
]
;B[cq]BL[831.981]
;W[cr]WL[311.502]C[Shadonra [1d]: bout 15 points, maybe
Loons [4k]: Yeah, S12 wastes S16 moreso too
]
;B[dp]BL[818.117]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: what
]
;W[eq]WL[307.098]
;B[bp]BL[813.433]C[lavalamp [1k]: ouch, d4 was a big waste of aji...
Loons [4k]: I hope he's trying to sneak up on D10
]
;W[ek]WL[294.671]
;B[fk]BL[811.41]C[dfan [3k]: Waste of sente too
]
;W[ei]WL[292.842]
;B[fj]BL[809.879]
;W[fh]WL[291.078]C[Loons [4k]: zz
Shadonra [1d]: cap l5 now./
Shadonra [1d]: w is really thick
Kirby [?]: well, i've used more time, so i guess that puts you ahead
Loons [4k]: I like the self-diminishing banter
]
;B[ip]BL[723.001]
;W[iq]WL[286.358]
;B[jp]BL[719.848]
;W[kp]WL[280.309]
;B[ko]BL[714.96]C[Loons [4k]: If black is the next to play around K17, what should his move there be ?
redundant [3k]: is it wrong that I just looked up what it would take to get a kirby v magicwand?
Shadonra [1d]: he shouldn't
Shadonra [1d]: i also did that
Shadonra [1d]: he'd have to beat tabemasu
redundant [3k]: or it could happen in the loser's bracket
Aphelion02 [6k]: kirby vs tabemasu?
Aphelion02 [6k]: or magicwand
Shadonra [1d]: i doubt magicwand will los
Shadonra [1d]: lose
redundant [3k]: winner here playes tabemasu
Aphelion02 [6k]: ouch
fwiffo [3k]: Considering he'd have to lose to me...
dfan [3k]: Depends how seriously Magicwand takes the game
]
;W[lo]WL[207.693]C[redundant [3k]: we should bet money against him
Loons [4k]: double hane!
Shadonra [1d]: he has to beat violence first, which i give him 60-40 odds
Shadonra [1d]: and then he has to beat me
redundant [3k]: or freegame
Shadonra [1d]: nope
Aphelion02 [6k]: i think MW has too much of a psychological edge over kirby
Shadonra [1d]: me.
Loons [4k]: Who's playing freegame ?
dfan [3k]: Magicwand-Violence will be epic
Shadonra [1d]: i am
Loons [4k]: Shaddy v Freegame ?
Shadonra [1d]: yeah
redundant [3k]: if freegame beats lavalamp
Loons [4k]: I wanna watch that one
Shadonra [1d]: i will win
Loons [4k]: I look forward to it.
dfan [3k]: Aphelion is going to win the whole tournament
Shadonra [1d]: i know no other option
Aphelion02 [6k]: yes i will!
Aphelion02 [6k]: will be such a fairy tale story
Shadonra [1d]: aph vs. tabemasu!
Loons [4k]: Yeah, I got my money on aph
Aphelion02 [6k]: XD
dfan [3k]: Aphelion's worst result so far is +59.5
Aphelion02 [6k]: mmm
Aphelion02 [6k]: its interesting though
]
;B[rh]BL[590.083]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: would you consider +R
]
;W[sh]WL[201.407]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: to be better than +60?
Shadonra [1d]: depends on rank
]
;B[sg]BL[584.968]
;W[si]WL[199.697]
;B[rg]BL[583.621]
;W[kn]WL[192.238]C[lavalamp [1k]: wow, black left m5 hanging there????
]
;B[le]BL[580.654]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: wat
Shadonra [1d]: oh god
redundant [3k]: uck
Aphelion02 [6k]: just take
dfan [3k]: Whoa
Loons [4k]: He played the large gote we've been wanting... but gote...
lavalamp [1k]: l6 is like worth 30 points
redundant [3k]: who's looking forward to kirby tabemasu?
fwiffo [3k]: not the most auspicious timing
Loons [4k]: Black can clamp to some effect at L7 ?
]
;W[md]WL[128.882]C[Loons [4k]: Or M7 or something ?
Aphelion02 [6k]: if he was going to do this he should never have payed j4
dfan [3k]: As long as W has any entrance to the center I can't imagine this is worth it
]
;B[ne]BL[561.865]C[Shadonra [1d]: b is melting
Loons [4k]: Feels like he's on the defensive
]
;W[nd]WL[109.311]
;B[oe]BL[559.353]
;W[me]WL[97.821]
;B[mf]BL[556.905]
;W[lf]WL[96.876]
;B[lg]BL[555.809]
;W[kf]WL[94.997]
;B[kg]BL[549.735]C[Loons [4k]: Noooo
redundant [3k]: yes white, take the top
]
;W[jf]WL[87.246]C[dfan [3k]: Yeah, B is now jealously guarding territory instead of playing dynamically
Shadonra [1d]: he was doing so well!
]
;B[lm]BL[541.621]C[redundant [3k]: and it's not even territory
lavalamp [1k]: B has lost
Aphelion02 [6k]: eh
dfan [3k]: Eat
Aphelion02 [6k]: take!
]
;W[mg]WL[67.959]
;B[nf]BL[540.042]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i predict center will be 10 points
fwiffo [3k]: b needs to slow down
Aphelion02 [6k]: and i'm not sure it will be W or B
Loons [4k]: Desperation attack around G16
Loons [4k]: Is how I would roll
]
;W[ol]WL[296.988]OW[9]C[Loons [4k]: He needs to calmly make points in the centre and get a powerful reduction on top
]
;B[nl]BL[531.922]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: not sure top is reducible
Loons [4k]: Can become complicated maybe
]
;W[ok]WL[273.882]OW[8]
;B[nk]BL[529.705]
;W[jh]WL[250.986]OW[7]C[lavalamp [1k]: I think W is 20 points ahead
Aphelion02 [6k]: just j12 or something similar?
]
;B[ki]BL[527.512]C[dfan [3k]: This sort of defense of the center doesn't really work past 7k or so
]
;W[kh]WL[244.139]OW[6]
;B[lh]BL[523.734]C[Loons [4k]: More importantly, I've got a 500ml red bull, should I decant it and add ice, or just go from the can
]
;W[ji]WL[232.963]OW[5]
;B[kj]BL[521.83]
;W[jj]WL[223.618]OW[4]
;B[jg]BL[516.653]
;W[ig]WL[221.723]OW[3]C[Loons [4k]: Yes
]
;B[ih]BL[511.227]C[Shadonra [1d]: everything is better with vodka
Loons [4k]: Complicate things
Aphelion02 [6k]: w should have just played h12
]
;W[li]WL[214.653]OW[2]
;B[mh]BL[508.895]
;W[mi]WL[212.534]OW[1]
;B[nh]BL[506.31]C[lavalamp [1k]: hmm white is doing his best to lose some stones
]
;W[kk]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[lj]BL[504.763]C[Loons [4k]: No blkack
lindentree [1k]: aww
]
;W[hg]WL[295.395]OW[9]C[Loons [4k]: Just take J13
Loons [4k]: Noooo
Shadonra [1d]: h11
]
;B[jk]BL[498.415]C[Shadonra [1d]: do it!
Shadonra [1d]: NOO
dfan [3k]: W might as well play M9 and N9 first
Shadonra [1d]: eat the whole thing
dfan [3k]: Uh, now just H11?
]
;W[ii]WL[241.109]OW[8]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: yucky shape
Loons [4k]: beautiful empty triangle
lavalamp [1k]: misclick?
]
;B[jl]BL[464.901]C[Loons [4k]: White not being over ambitious ? Just killing J12 ?
Shadonra [1d]: j9 is not sente anymore
Aphelion02 [6k]: good time to eat l5, no?
Loons [4k]: His top is big enough, he says
Loons [4k]: M7 vital point making K5 smaller
]
;W[ac]WL[151.521]OW[7]
;B[ae]BL[460.343]
;W[hn]WL[138.979]OW[6]C[Loons [4k]: ambitious
]
;B[jo]BL[443.058]
;W[jn]WL[127.859]OW[5]
;B[ho]BL[432.312]
;W[ln]WL[96.883]OW[4]C[dfan [3k]: This seems like a pretty clear victory for W now
]
;B[br]BL[408.352]
;W[gp]WL[88.924]OW[3]
;B[go]BL[404.134]C[Loons [4k]: I want to see black try something dangerous.
]
;W[od]WL[53.094]OW[2]
;B[pd]BL[400.811]
;W[ob]WL[43.722]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: kirby has good end game
]
;B[nc]BL[396.647]
;W[mc]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[nb]BL[395.301]
;W[mb]WL[268.618]OW[9]
;B[na]BL[385.528]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: man i'm tired
Aphelion02 [6k]: nite guys
dfan [3k]: N19 is sente, why not
Loons [4k]: Night man
]
;W[ll]WL[196.416]OW[8]C[lavalamp [1k]: it's gote for black and makes a good ko threat
]
;B[mk]BL[361.64]C[Loons [4k]: N8 ?
dfan [3k]: Fair enough
Loons [4k]: oh, right
]
;W[lk]WL[173.368]OW[7]
;B[mj]BL[357.217]C[Loons [4k]: Coulda m9 ?
]
;W[mm]WL[162.487]OW[6]
;B[if]BL[343.895]C[redundant [3k]: ...
Loons [4k]: TToo late for magic, I think
dfan [3k]: Desperation
Loons [4k]: You play the moves that would give you a chance to win
]
;W[kd]WL[132.936]OW[5]
;B[hh]BL[340.076]
;W[hi]WL[130.04]OW[4]C[Loons [4k]: Maybe this helps him reduce from E14
]
;B[gh]BL[338.459]C[Shadonra [1d]: it... works.
]
;W[gi]WL[114.136]OW[3]
;B[gg]BL[337.256]
;W[hf]WL[112.373]OW[2]
;B[gf]BL[335.981]C[Shadonra [1d]: oh.
]
;W[ie]WL[110.159]OW[1]
;B[gj]BL[326.57]C[Shadonra [1d]: NO
Loons [4k]: Why not H15 ?
dfan [3k]: OMG
Shadonra [1d]: H15, DAMMI?T
]
;W[ge]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[hj]BL[323.877]C[Loons [4k]: He coulda snuck up on D10 ...!
]
;W[nm]WL[283.095]OW[9]
;B[or]BL[315.21]C[lavalamp [1k]: now the game is close...
]
;W[qr]WL[226.123]OW[8]C[Shadonra [1d]: huh?
Loons [4k]: Black punish this !
]
;B[rr]BL[301.939]C[Shadonra [1d]: argh.
dfan [3k]: White is seeing red
Shadonra [1d]: does w think he's losing...?
Loons [4k]: I want black... K2
Loons [4k]: Then try and connect to it
]
;W[rq]WL[185.659]OW[7]
;B[rp]BL[300.313]
;W[sr]WL[183.678]OW[6]
;B[rs]BL[299.052]C[Loons [4k]: White on tilt ?
]
;W[qs]WL[174.664]OW[5]
;B[qq]BL[296.441]
;W[ss]WL[173.034]OW[4]C[Shadonra [1d]: b is playing silly moves
]
;B[rr]BL[290.447]C[Shadonra [1d]: he can just kill s9
]
;W[nr]WL[170.283]OW[3]
;B[ns]BL[284.714]
;W[ms]WL[156.182]OW[2]
;B[os]BL[281.492]C[Loons [4k]: Come on, marcus!
Loons [4k]: Also;Kirby
]
;W[rs]WL[139.772]OW[1]C[Shadonra [1d]: go marcus!
]
;B[sp]BL[279.498]C[Loons [4k]: zz
]
;W[op]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[sq]BL[275.435]C[Shadonra [1d]: KILL
Shadonra [1d]: i'm seeing red
]
;W[pq]WL[291.539]OW[9]C[Loons [4k]: Get in there
]
;B[pr]BL[273.559]
;W[pm]WL[287.134]OW[8]C[Shadonra [1d]: um.. what?
Shadonra [1d]: if b doesn't connect i will kill him
]
;B[pq]BL[256.938]C[redundant [3k]: ...
Shadonra [1d]: NOT THAT CONNECT
Loons [4k]: Ha ha ha.
redundant [3k]: KILL HIM
redundant [3k]: ARGH
redundant [3k]: WHITE HAD NOTHING THERE
Loons [4k]: Also, nothing hard around N2 ?
]
;W[on]WL[254.699]OW[7]
;B[mr]BL[254.971]
;W[lr]WL[251.689]OW[6]C[Shadonra [1d]: better..
]
;B[ls]BL[253.373]C[fwiffo [3k]: butterfly seven seki now?
]
;W[ks]WL[250.261]OW[5]
;B[ms]BL[250.836]
;W[mq]WL[247.942]OW[4]C[Shadonra [1d]: just let it live..
]
;B[jr]BL[245.614]C[fwiffo [3k]: koseki
Shadonra [1d]: nice!
]
;W[jq]WL[236.53]OW[3]C[fwiffo [3k]: oops
]
;B[kr]BL[243.038]
;W[lq]WL[234.008]OW[2]C[Shadonra [1d]: now j2
]
;B[ps]BL[230.035]C[Shadonra [1d]: WHAT
Loons [4k]: Nooo
lavalamp [1k]: I don't think white needed to kill this bad
]
;W[cn]WL[157.524]OW[1]
;B[dr]BL[227.186]
;W[er]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[cs]BL[225.417]
;W[co]WL[296.826]OW[9]
;B[cp]BL[223.262]C[Loons [4k]: Marcus needs J2, is white sente
Loons [4k]: If he gets J2 he will get T7 too
lavalamp [1k]: amazingly I think white is still ahead
Shadonra [1d]: of course
Shadonra [1d]: b needed to kill
]
;W[ma]WL[166.617]OW[8]C[Loons [4k]: S7 better than T7 ?
]
;B[pb]BL[220.378]C[Shadonra [1d]: yes
]
;W[ir]WL[112.643]OW[7]C[Shadonra [1d]: b needs to j6 and ko
]
;B[js]BL[216.559]C[fwiffo [3k]: white's gotta watch his time
]
;W[is]WL[110.477]OW[6]
;B[ks]BL[214.084]
;W[bo]WL[74.007]OW[5]C[Loons [4k]: ko favors marcus right
]
;B[rn]BL[209.638]C[Loons [4k]: Yes marcus you have sente
]
;W[rm]WL[68.988]OW[4]
;B[ro]BL[208.003]C[Loons [4k]: ....gote
Loons [4k]: It's like watching myself play
]
;W[hp]WL[44.582]OW[3]
;B[io]BL[204.422]
;W[in]WL[35.674]OW[2]
;B[dm]BL[202.286]
;W[cm]WL[32.704]OW[1]
;B[el]BL[200.786]
;W[dk]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[hl]BL[176.501]
;W[dn]WL[292.901]OW[9]
;B[em]BL[172.088]
;W[gm]WL[282.13]OW[8]
;B[ef]BL[167.85]
;W[ff]WL[275.614]OW[7]
;B[ij]BL[166.18]
;W[ee]WL[259.259]OW[6]
;B[sn]BL[159.307]C[Loons [4k]: F13 !
Loons [4k]: Why not ?
]
;W[ch]WL[249.434]OW[5]
;B[bh]BL[154.541]
;W[es]WL[243.572]OW[4]C[redundant [3k]: he had 1 pt gote endgame
]
;B[ds]BL[151.581]C[redundant [3k]: much more important
]
;W[df]WL[235.851]OW[3]
;B[km]BL[148.973]
;W[jm]WL[226.273]OW[2]
;B[kl]BL[145.639]
;W[ml]WL[224.791]OW[1]
;B[hm]BL[136.888]
;W[gn]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[gl]BL[134.449]
;W[bj]WL[285.982]OW[9]
;B[dh]BL[121.027]
;W[ci]WL[278.396]OW[8]
;B[dg]BL[117.315]
;W[oj]WL[261.233]OW[7]
;B[nj]BL[113.965]
;W[pk]WL[257.593]OW[6]
;B[ao]BL[96.22]
;W[an]WL[255.377]OW[5]
;B[ap]BL[94.251]
;W[pi]WL[253.337]OW[4]C[Loons [4k]: A18 sente one point ?
]
;B[qh]BL[88.294]C[Shadonra [1d]: yes
]
;W[ai]WL[229.369]OW[3]C[tchan001 [6k]: a7
]
;B[ah]BL[86.296]C[Shadonra [1d]: f4 sente 1 pt, p5 sente 1 pt
]
;W[aj]WL[228.28]OW[2]
;B[ad]BL[79.366]
;W[ab]WL[225.936]OW[1]
;B[eh]BL[71.642]
;W[qm]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[sm]BL[67.75]
;W[sl]WL[297.187]OW[9]
;B[fg]BL[51.245]
;W[oo]WL[294.431]OW[8]
;B[rr]BL[49.194]
;W[ef]WL[288.335]OW[7]C[Kirby [?]: i hope you don't mind playing it out
]
;B[fp]BL[20.902]C[Loons [4k]: zz
]
;W[fq]WL[285.787]OW[6]
;B[en]BL[19.239]
;W[bm]WL[279.706]OW[5]C[Loons [4k]: I want Marcus to pretend he's filling dame here
Loons [4k]: And Kirby not to realize and fix
Loons [4k]: Like he did
Shadonra [1d]: j7!
Loons [4k]: Laughably, still real points
Loons [4k]: Not a trick, a damezumari
Shadonra [1d]: J7 and b+.5..
Shadonra [1d]: PLAY IT, DAMN YOU
lindentree [1k]: lol
Loons [4k]: He is debating ko ?
Shadonra [1d]: NO HE IS NOT
Loons [4k]: But it is smaller than J7
Marcus316 [4k]: hmmmm ... I think you may have won .. perhaps less than komi, but still ... again, my counting sucks.
]
;B[im]BL[197.748]OB[9]C[Kirby [?]: i think you are ahead
Shadonra [1d]: YES
]
;W[pj]WL[271.48]OW[4]C[Shadonra [1d]: dame, now
]
;B[de]BL[188.917]OB[8]C[redundant [3k]: b wins
Marcus316 [4k]: aga
]
;W[fm]WL[263.506]OW[3]C[Marcus316 [4k]: fill dame.
Marcus316 [4k]: just in case, I figured a reminder
Kirby [?]: ok
Shadonra [1d]: oh, 1.5
]
;B[fn]BL[173.396]OB[7]C[redundant [3k]: 3.5
]
;W[]WL[263.506]OW[2]
;B[]BL[173.395]OB[6]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][dc][ec][fc][gc][ic][jc][kc][ed][gd][hd][id][jd][ld][fe][he][je][ke][le][if][cj][rj][sj][ak][ck][qk][sk][al][bl][cl][pl][rl][am][om][bn][mn][nn][mo][no][lp][mp][gq][fr][gr][hr][fs][gs][hs]TB[oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ob][qb][rb][sb][pc][qc][sc][rd][sd][be][pe][qe][re][se][bf][of][pf][qf][rf][sf][ag][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][fh][jh][kh][oh][gi][hi][ii][ji][li][mi][ni][jj][gk][hk][ik][il][so][aq][bq][rq][ar][cr][qr][sr][as][bs][qs][rs][ss]C[Shadonra [1d]: se lies on area scoring
redundant [3k]: i didn't se
Marcus316 [4k]: oh wow
Shadonra [1d]: you screwed up without se
redundant [3k]: and I also can't subtract
Kirby [?]: thank you
Shadonra [1d]: good job
Marcus316 [4k]: thank you very much
Loons [4k]: Gratz Marcus
Shadonra [1d]: well done!
Marcus316 [4k]: that was intense
Loons [4k]: Consolations, Kirby
lavalamp [1k]: exciting game guys
Marcus316 [4k]: amazing
redundant [3k]: Marcus v tabemasu next
Loons [4k]: Woo!
Kirby [?]: ah, it just adds to my losses
Marcus316 [4k]: oh dear lord, 7d next.
Loons [4k]: Game of the century Marcus v Tabemasu
tchan001 [6k]: wow
Shadonra [1d]: have fun marcus!
Loons [4k]: Marcus if you win I will buy lessons from you instead
Marcus316 [4k]: thanks
Shadonra [1d]: hey, motivation!
Marcus316 [4k]: it's quarter to midnight here ... I need to get to sleep
Marcus316 [4k]: sorry I can't stick around
Loons [4k]: Night
Marcus316 [4k]: take care all
fwiffo [3k]: night all
])

[Loons]

I'm so impressed by Marcus, Actorios, Aph and Shaddy (who have all "risen to the challenge" when matched far above themselves.

[Actorios]

Daniel_the_smith and I had our game which lead to Daniel's victory by around 40 points.
Congrats, Daniel, and good luck for your next game (and many thanks to freegame for his audio review following the game) !

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[2400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[Actorios]PB[lavalamp]WR[5k]BR[1k]DT[2010-07-23]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[lavalamp [1k]: Have fun, good luck
]RE[B+36.50]
;B[qd]BL[2386.466]C[Actorios [5k]: I wish luck was enough !
Actorios [5k]: ;^)
Actorios [5k]: I'll do my best (what else can I do?)
]
;W[dc]WL[2368.727]C[lavalamp [1k]: I'm sure you'll do fine.
]
;B[pq]BL[2381.821]
;W[cp]WL[2351.989]C[Loki [6k?]: Your website is down daniel. Hope I didn't break it^^
]
;B[ep]BL[2357.794]
;W[eq]WL[2337.951]
;B[fq]BL[2336.498]
;W[dq]WL[2309.637]
;B[fp]BL[2327.283]
;W[cn]WL[2305.251]
;B[jp]BL[2317.769]
;W[od]WL[2296.538]C[Loons [4k]: mirror go !
freegame [-]: pincer now, else it gets so borring
Loons [4k]: black isn't really strong on either side, is it a good idea to pincer ?
Actorios [5k]: On KGS, you don't have that much the occasion to play game without handicap stones with people stronger than you
Ellisdee [4k]: knowing daniel, he'd usually pincer
Actorios [5k]: I'm sure it's good teaching for the lowest player
Loki [6k?]: Join ASR Actorios
lavalamp [1k]: true
Loki [6k?]: there you get plenty of opportunity
Ellisdee [4k]: but since its tournament play, maybe he'll keep it simple
lavalamp [1k]: I play plenty of wrongly handicapped games IRL
freegame [-]: changing style because it's a tournament is usually not a good idea
]
;B[ld]BL[2115.735]C[Murete [1d]: how many styles can one player have?
Murete [1d]: just play consistent and you'll be fine, whatever game you're playing
]
;W[jc]WL[2233.867]C[freegame [-]: hmm
Murete [1d]: well, just make sure you can play consistent
Actorios [5k]: I was surprised to be given a game without handicap with someone obviously stronger than me in a go club
Loki [6k?]: I just have the over agressive hope for a mistake by your opponent style
freegame [-]: K17 seems weird
Loki [6k?]: and it sucks for tourneys
Murete [1d]: the opponent makes you play otherwise, if he's a good player =p
Actorios [5k]: I guess he wanted to know what was the appropriate handicap
Loons [4k]: But it's fun, eh Loki
Actorios [5k]: but it was good for me too
Loki [6k?]: It's fun, yes, but makes me a lot weaker in tourneys
Murete [1d]: lol
Murete [1d]: you gotta play in way which you will still survive whn your opponent doesnt make a fatal mistake
Loons [4k]: Marcus' style evidently very good for tournaments
]
;B[pf]BL[2000.926]C[Ellisdee [4k]: i overplay iin random games too much, so yea, i actually read in tournaments ^^
Murete [1d]: there's no way to win from someone who doesnt make mistakes, just make sure you make less
Loki [6k?]: aphi's too. His biggest weakness is stupid mistakes
Loki [6k?]: and he doesn't make them that much in serious games
lavalamp [1k]: Yeah, I usually have first-time visitors to my club play even games until we figure out their strength relative to the rest of us
]
;W[qc]WL[2142.633]
;B[rc]BL[1993.93]
;W[pc]WL[2139.893]
;B[rb]BL[1971.066]C[Actorios [5k]: I wish I knew what the appropriate joseki is around there
lavalamp [1k]: I have no idea what is correct after k17
Actorios [5k]: this is assuming that K17 was correct ;^)
Murete [1d]: this is too good for black =p
Loons [4k]: I think twoeye or someone was playing k17 earlier today
Murete [1d]: k17 neglects black's pincer-attack
lavalamp [1k]: It didn't look right to me but I know nothing about this game, hehe
]
;W[ql]WL[2035.567]C[Actorios [5k]: well, I suppose everything is relative
Loons [4k]: r5 ?
mic [7k]: why not r6?
Murete [1d]: I would play r8 at r6, that's the natural move here
Murete [1d]: how about r10?
]
;B[nf]BL[1835.502]C[freegame [-]: yup, white,s opening not very strong
Murete [1d]: ah, black goes for the head-on collision
]
;W[mc]WL[2018.622]
;B[lc]BL[1830.568]
;W[me]WL[2016.027]C[Loons [4k]: I wouldn't have r10'd because it drives white to r5, which he likes anyway
Murete [1d]: I'd say o14 is bad timing
freegame [-]: but i don't like n17 either
Murete [1d]: yeah, but then you can seal off the bottom and white is small, loons
Murete [1d]: nice move by white
Murete [1d]: o14 was wrong I think, this early in the game, its best to take the big points first
]
;B[qn]BL[1724.694]C[Loons [4k]: Actorios was clearly luring lavalamp into a false sense of security
]
;W[qi]WL[2007.586]
;B[qg]BL[1721.891]C[Murete [1d]: if white wants to reinforce in gote, just let him
]
;W[ol]WL[1991.531]
;B[md]BL[1693.995]
;W[ne]WL[1963.37]C[Murete [1d]: hehe, go Actorios!
Murete [1d]: punish him for his overplay and bad timing
]
;B[le]BL[1606.199]
;W[mf]WL[1953.027]
;B[oe]BL[1576.7]
;W[pe]WL[1889.571]
;B[of]BL[1571.519]C[Loons [4k]: I figure no thinking here
Loons [4k]: I was thinking about R15, but I don't like this
]
;W[nd]WL[1865.975]C[Loons [4k]: Better to have just connected at O16
]
;B[nc]BL[1512.408]C[Murete [1d]: yes, its a clear aji keshi
Loons [4k]: R15 now ? Run with it ?
Murete [1d]: he lost the atari at o13, which is quite important, considering he is escaping
Murete [1d]: wel... yes
lavalamp [1k]: I think the observers probably are saying bad things about my last few moves...
Murete [1d]:
Murete [1d]: hell yeah =p
Loons [4k]:
Murete [1d]: always support the underdog
Actorios [5k]: I'd like to know if my last move was a thank you move
Loons [4k]: M16 was became heavy, lavalamp
Loons [4k]: was became ! grammar
]
;W[ce]WL[1725.649]C[Loons [4k]: nooo
Loons [4k]: Urgent before big !
Murete [1d]: o14 was a mistake, and actorios punished him (although, w n15 instead of n17 would have been better I think. )
Loons [4k]: I would have rathered M13 here
]
;B[pd]BL[1449.66]C[lavalamp [1k]: it wasn't, you had a good follow-up
Murete [1d]: oh boy... =p
Murete [1d]: p17?
]
;W[je]WL[1635.286]C[Murete [1d]: >.<
Murete [1d]: oops =p
Murete [1d]: ladder doesnt work for white xD
Actorios [5k]: ok, thanks
]
;B[oc]BL[1373.772]C[freegame [-]: could be game over soon
Murete [1d]: too bad the ladder doesnt work for white
Murete [1d]: else, white could have saved n17 and attack m16
]
;W[mb]WL[1580.918]
;B[mg]BL[1370.723]C[Murete [1d]: yeah well... ouch
Loons [4k]: -_-
Murete [1d]: here white hates himself for playing the aji keshi q15...
Murete [1d]: it almost turned out awesome for white
freegame [-]: hahaha
Murete [1d]: with the upper group feigning to be weak and lure black into overplaying
freegame [-]: a lot of my games I "almost won"
Murete [1d]: could have been so beautiful... =p
Murete [1d]: hehe, yup freegame, thats life =p
Murete [1d]: if someone would win all almost-wins he would be 3 stones stronger
Actorios [5k]: what are my chances of reading better a ladder than a 1k ?
Murete [1d]:
lavalamp [1k]: I don't know, but I read it three times
Murete [1d]: well... tenuki isnt that bad
Murete [1d]: white can make a nice moyo with a ladder breaker
Murete [1d]: game is not over, not at all
Loons [4k]: Please don't play the ladder..
freegame [-]: true, but laderbreaker now is too obvious, better be mean and play it when the ladder is forgotten
Murete [1d]: XD
]
;W[lf]WL[1287.175]C[Murete [1d]: lol
]
;B[kf]BL[1367.127]C[Loons [4k]: noooo
lavalamp [1k]: awesome
Murete [1d]: too obvious huh?
Murete [1d]: do you discard a good move because its too obvious?
Murete [1d]: thats funny
freegame [-]: in this case i would
lavalamp [1k]: one of us will feel silly if we play the ladder out
Murete [1d]:
Actorios [5k]: I know in advance who will it be
Murete [1d]: lol
Actorios [5k]: I wish I could know for sure
Murete [1d]: j12 as a ladder breaker
Actorios [5k]: I should practice those
Murete [1d]: and then d10
Actorios [5k]: I should just trust you
Murete [1d]: not now
lavalamp [1k]: nah, I had a 2d mess up a ladder and play it out all the way on me a week or so ago
Loki [6k?]: trust your opponent? Never!
Murete [1d]: now just j13
lavalamp [1k]: it can happen to anyone...
Murete [1d]: lol
Murete [1d]: nah
Actorios [5k]: I'm sorry, I'm making a fool out of myself
Murete [1d]: m14 spoils the fun of the ladder-breaking
lavalamp [1k]: no you aren't, if you think it doesn't work for me, you shouldn't let me bully you
Loons [4k]: Oh, banter
Murete [1d]: damn, damn white could have made a Beautiful moyo here
Murete [1d]: the beautiful possibilities in this game
Loki [6k?]: In a quick game I probably would have misread it too. But in a slow game...
Murete [1d]: its awesome
]
;W[lb]WL[1053.33]C[Actorios [5k]: I lost 7 points
Actorios [5k]: I believe you
Murete [1d]: 7?
Murete [1d]:
Murete [1d]: how about 20? =p
lavalamp [1k]: I wasn't bluffing this time... but next time....
freegame [-]: playing extra stone in ladder is said to be -7
Murete [1d]: oh, never heard of that
Actorios [5k]: I need to refocus
]
;B[pk]BL[1274.842]
;W[pl]WL[1031.552]
;B[on]BL[1271.289]
;W[en]WL[1011.157]C[Murete [1d]: there it is
]
;B[lg]BL[1255.464]
;W[dj]WL[1010.179]C[Murete [1d]:
lavalamp [1k]: that was sente
Murete [1d]: hooray!
Loons [4k]: P11 isn't necessary ?
Loons [4k]: Or similar
Murete [1d]: r9 p10
]
;B[ee]BL[1230.066]C[Murete [1d]: if black reinforces, yu can just r10/r9
freegame [-]: white feels he has no time to defend there now after the loss on top
]
;W[fd]WL[980.342]C[Murete [1d]: white shouldnt defend there
Murete [1d]: c14
]
;B[cf]BL[1214.585]
;W[de]WL[935.815]
;B[df]BL[1199.954]
;W[ed]WL[934.166]
;B[be]BL[1140.619]
;W[cd]WL[901.731]
;B[bd]BL[1122.641]
;W[bc]WL[899.18]
;B[ci]BL[1095.824]C[Loons [4k]: I wouldn't B13 not B17
Loons [4k]: Would've, rather
]
;W[bg]WL[865.38]
;B[bf]BL[1086.841]
;W[cj]WL[859.024]
;B[bi]BL[1063.419]C[Murete [1d]: tuki tuki
]
;W[dh]WL[835.181]C[Murete [1d]: time to so sth about the bottom
]
;B[cg]BL[1048.093]C[Murete [1d]: p3 probe and then m4 or take the corner iff possible?
]
;W[jq]WL[745.913]C[dfan [3k]: That was not a hard ladder to read in a slow game
]
;B[kq]BL[1029.736]
;W[ip]WL[732.189]
;B[iq]BL[1018.998]C[Murete [1d]: oh, this is cool too
]
;W[jo]WL[723.142]
;B[jr]BL[1015.604]C[Murete [1d]:
]
;W[hp]WL[717.207]C[Murete [1d]: h3 (instead of k5) k2 j2 k3 h4
]
;B[fr]BL[993.056]C[Ellisdee [4k]: ke needed to extend down?
Murete [1d]: atari at h3 not k5
Ellisdee [4k]: or h3, yea
Murete [1d]: well, that was what I had in mind
Murete [1d]: this should remove possible moyo for black
Murete [1d]: but white could have done better I blieve
]
;W[gn]WL[601.633]C[Loons [4k]: I think white should try and live unreasonably on the bottom / bottom right then try unreasonably to kill D14
Murete [1d]: lol
Murete [1d]: yeah... thats a smart plan!
Loons [4k]: I think if he sneaks up on it, pretend he's trying to make a big centre or something
Murete [1d]: lol =p
Ellisdee [4k]: as it stands, it looks like black is 20+ points ahead.... white needs to do something drastic
Loons [4k]: Then hope for L&D mistakes
]
;B[di]BL[934.522]C[Murete [1d]: you would make a great kamikaze-pilot, loons
Loons [4k]: Black is pre-empting my plan
]
;W[ei]WL[569.348]C[Murete [1d]: who knows white will make out of his wall
lavalamp [1k]: j3 was a really big mistake from me, you had a drastic punishment.... :/
Murete [1d]: maybe black forgets about it and white makes a huge moyo
Murete [1d]: with k10 or sth like it
Actorios [5k]: Hmm...
Actorios [5k]: I must say I'm totally unable to remember what could have been done
]
;B[ko]BL[854.819]C[Actorios [5k]: I'm looking forward to the end of game comments
]
;W[jn]WL[558.034]C[Murete [1d]: l3 should have been at j3 I think
]
;B[jk]BL[820.673]C[Murete [1d]: but its hard for black to get it all, k3 was a great move!
]
;W[bj]WL[532.362]C[Loons [4k]: Black tenuki ! White kill!
Murete [1d]: black can easily tenuki
]
;B[eh]BL[764.544]C[Murete [1d]: too bad he doesnt
Loons [4k]: Because he can run ?
Murete [1d]: he's alive...
Murete [1d]: how do you want to kill?
Loons [4k]: If he tenuki-ed ?
Murete [1d]: yeah, sure
Murete [1d]: give me the killing sequence then
Loons [4k]: White B12 ?
Murete [1d]: b c12
Loons [4k]: Ah, hm.
Murete [1d]: b13 and b12 are captured in damezumari
]
;W[fh]WL[464.88]
;B[eg]BL[759.644]
;W[fj]WL[443.732]
;B[gi]BL[752.824]
;W[fi]WL[423.517]
;B[aj]BL[743.327]
;W[ak]WL[421.044]C[Murete [1d]: b12 c12 a16 a13 a15 e12 e13 f12 f13 f11 e10 d13 ??
lavalamp [1k]: lol I can't do that
Murete [1d]: black must run if white goes for the reall kill, but that would hurt white
Murete [1d]: hehe
]
;B[rk]BL[696.566]
;W[qk]WL[397.363]
;B[rj]BL[673.088]
;W[ri]WL[387.92]
;B[rl]BL[669.592]C[Murete [1d]: p11
Loons [4k]: I want to see white L6, black M5, White L11 or something
]
;W[oi]WL[374.832]C[Murete [1d]: yeah, it might just be possible, loons
Murete [1d]: wow
freegame [-]: i want to see white win the game
Murete [1d]: he played p11
Loons [4k]: Well, you play to win
Murete [1d]: great shape
Murete [1d]: good move, actorios =p
Murete [1d]: I thought it would be hard to find the right shape here
]
;B[qj]BL[597.511]C[Murete [1d]: hehe, foolish black =p
]
;W[pj]WL[359.456]C[Murete [1d]: O=)
]
;B[oj]BL[595.426]
;W[ok]WL[343.93]
;B[nj]BL[593.447]C[Murete [1d]: killing white would be quite a feat.
]
;W[ml]WL[318.333]C[Loons [4k]: N10 ?
freegame [-]: at least Loons can't complain about this style :P
]
;B[lm]BL[562.813]C[Loons [4k]: It's like black is planning against my moves
Murete [1d]: n10 impossible, black will o9 and white is kind of forced to play o11 and still dont be connected
]
;W[sj]WL[284.222]
;B[rm]BL[558.27]C[Murete [1d]: ew
Murete [1d]: white is in trouble actually...
]
;W[ni]WL[254.259]C[Murete [1d]: maybe I was completely wrong about p11
Murete [1d]: whats taking him so long?
]
;B[mj]BL[492.532]C[Murete [1d]: n10 only move, otherwise the cut would have been useless
]
;W[mi]WL[232.277]
;B[lj]BL[488.127]C[Murete [1d]: I feel stupid proclaiming p11 as the way to go XD
]
;W[ll]WL[183.977]C[Murete [1d]: m8? hoping to capture m10?
]
;B[km]BL[437.694]
;W[kl]WL[168.609]
;B[jl]BL[434.918]
;W[jm]WL[149.032]C[Loki [6k?]: I would have played L10
Murete [1d]: instead of k7?
Loki [6k?]: y
Murete [1d]: black would have played k7 >.<
Murete [1d]: and then what?
]
;B[ji]BL[382.809]C[Murete [1d]: uhm
Ellisdee [4k]: l6 push?
Murete [1d]: yeah
lavalamp [1k]: I will feel silly if you live now... :/
]
;W[kn]WL[118.962]C[Murete [1d]: black will just capture the right...
Actorios [5k]: not much chances
]
;B[mn]BL[359.891]C[Ellisdee [4k]: yea, he will lose stones, but the kill is much bigger
Loki [6k?]: L10 k7 m11
Loki [6k?]: not sure if it works
]
;W[nn]WL[85.974]C[Murete [1d]: yeah, sorry loki, wasnt thinking
]
;B[mo]BL[348.996]C[Murete [1d]: but not cutting seems weird
Loons [4k]: O5!
]
;W[nm]WL[76.284]C[Loons [4k]: Noooo
Loons [4k]: Need to complicate things
Murete [1d]: =p
]
;B[no]BL[309.995]C[Loons [4k]: Oh, if he can sneak two eyes
Loons [4k]: If black feels that P7 is sente
Murete [1d]: how?
Loons [4k]: (for white)
]
;W[oo]WL[18.427]C[Loons [4k]: Purely imaginary
]
;B[op]BL[278.548]
;W[po]WL[40]OW[5]
;B[pn]BL[269.257]
;W[qp]WL[40]OW[4]C[Loons [4k]: nooooo ladderssss
]
;B[qo]BL[255.413]
;W[ro]WL[40]OW[4]C[Murete [1d]: with p11, white could have lived.... but its no good=p
]
;B[pp]BL[250.601]
;W[qq]WL[40]OW[4]C[Actorios [5k]: this is a bit pointless
]
;B[qr]BL[216.347]C[Actorios [5k]: from me, I mean
lavalamp [1k]: it's ok
Murete [1d]: n8 instead of p11 I guess, white must escape
]
;W[rq]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[rr]BL[208.509]C[Murete [1d]: the kill is too big
]
;W[lo]WL[40]OW[4]C[Murete [1d]: s2 instead of s3 though
]
;B[lp]BL[179.16]
;W[kp]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[lq]BL[174.085]C[Murete [1d]: go
Murete [1d]: game over
]
;W[jq]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[hr]BL[131.331]
;W[kh]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[jh]BL[118.103]
;W[jg]WL[40]OW[4]C[freegame [-]: hmmm
Loons [4k]: seki !
Murete [1d]: hehe
Murete [1d]: its a long shot
]
;B[li]BL[62.759]C[Loons [4k]: Get good betting odds
]
;W[lh]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[kg]BL[52.44]
;W[mh]WL[40]OW[4]C[Murete [1d]: n12... saves a liberty =p
]
;B[ig]BL[36.85]
;W[jf]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[ph]BL[32.869]
;W[pi]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[gg]BL[27.974]
;W[ki]WL[40]OW[4]C[lavalamp [1k]: some day, I'd like to play a game that doesn't end in a huge capturing race
]
;B[kj]BL[23.602]C[Loons [4k]: Aw, F13
]
;W[ij]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[jj]BL[19.543]C[Murete [1d]: losing sucks =p
]
;W[fg]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[hk]BL[0.734]
;W[hj]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[gj]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ik]WL[40]OW[4]C[Murete [1d]: ouch
]
;B[il]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[gk]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[hl]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[gh]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[hi]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[hh]WL[40]OW[4]
;B[ii]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ij]WL[40]OW[4]C[Loons [4k]: Actorios' moves so cool
]
;B[gl]BL[40]OB[5]C[Murete [1d]:
]
;W[fk]WL[40]OW[4]C[Murete [1d]: its a cool game
]
;B[rh]BL[40]OB[5]C[Loons [4k]: J12 ?
]
;W[mm]WL[40]OW[3]
;B[ln]BL[40]OB[5]C[Loki [6k?]: strange moves
]
;W[nk]WL[40]OW[3]C[Loons [4k]: ! seki
Loons [4k]: The dream is happening
]
;B[ih]BL[40]OB[5]C[Murete [1d]: hehe
Loons [4k]: H14!
]
;W[hf]WL[40]OW[2]C[Murete [1d]:
Loons [4k]: I know my overplays
]
;B[oh]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[if]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[sh]BL[40]OB[5]C[Loons [4k]: this is seki
freegame [-]: gote seki for white
Loons [4k]: considering 3 shared liberties
Murete [1d]: this is seki indeed
Murete [1d]: its a SEKI
Murete [1d]: dude =p
Murete [1d]: how awesome?
]
;W[fl]WL[40]OW[2]C[Loons [4k]: Oh man, I am the new soccer octopus
freegame [-]:
Murete [1d]: he made it seki!!!
]
;B[si]BL[40]OB[5]C[freegame [-]: hahahaha
Murete [1d]: omg =p
]
;W[gm]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[qh]BL[40]OB[5]C[Murete [1d]: GO ACTORIOS =
Murete [1d]: =D
freegame [-]: I bet white i also like O-O omg
]
;W[im]WL[40]OW[2]C[Murete [1d]: damn, damn
Murete [1d]: this is awesome =p
Murete [1d]: too bad, black is still leading
Murete [1d]: but... come one
freegame [-]: more exciting than most high dan games on kgs
]
;B[kc]BL[40]OB[5]C[Murete [1d]: a whole centre filling seki
]
;W[kb]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[cs]BL[40]OB[5]C[Loons [4k]: I certainly agree
]
;W[cr]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ds]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[bs]WL[40]OW[2]C[Ellisdee [4k]: Black N9 kills, doesn't it?
]
;B[es]BL[40]OB[5]C[Murete [1d]: =D Awesome!!!
]
;W[bq]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ac]BL[40]OB[5]C[Ellisdee [4k]: oh wait, N9 and P7
]
;W[bb]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[nb]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ai]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[bh]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ag]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[af]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[aj]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ah]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[hm]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[nh]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[pk]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[qm]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ik]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[om]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[mk]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[hg]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[gf]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[pm]BL[40]OB[5]C[Loons [4k]: How did white get this in sente
]
;W[fe]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ef]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[jd]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ab]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ba]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[hq]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[do]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[fo]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[gp]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[go]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ho]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[fn]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[fm]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[gq]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[na]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[oa]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[ma]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ko]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[jp]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[lo]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[er]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[fs]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[dp]WL[40]OW[2]C[Loki [6k?]: will they remember it's area scoring?
]
;B[eo]BL[40]OB[5]C[freegame [-]: black wins anayway
]
;W[ff]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[dr]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[aa]WL[40]OW[2]
;B[ad]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[]WL[40]OW[2]C[Loons [4k]: If only white had lived bottom right
freegame [-]:
lavalamp [1k]: don't pass too early-- AGA rules are effectively area rules
]
;B[kd]BL[40]OB[5]C[Actorios [5k]: what does that mean?
lavalamp [1k]: dame are points.
Actorios [5k]: I should play all dame ?
Actorios [5k]: oh
]
;W[ke]WL[40]OW[2]C[lavalamp [1k]: yes
]
;B[lk]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[]WL[40]OW[2]C[Loki [6k?]: L9 now
]
;B[]BL[40]OB[5]TW[ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][cc][ec][fc][gc][hc][ic][dd][gd][hd][id][ge][he][ie][ej][bk][ck][dk][ek][al][bl][cl][dl][el][nl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][an][bn][dn][hn][in][ao][bo][co][io][ap][bp][aq][cq][ar][br][as]TB[pa][qa][ra][sa][ob][pb][qb][sb][pc][qc][sc][nd][od][rd][sd][ae][me][ne][pe][qe][re][se][lf][mf][qf][rf][sf][ag][bg][dg][ng][og][pg][rg][sg][ch][dh][hj][ij][sj][ik][sk][sl][sm][rn][sn][oo][po][ro][so][mp][np][qp][rp][sp][mq][nq][oq][qq][rq][sq][gr][ir][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][sr][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[freegame [-]: black should lay h10
Loons [4k]: Actorios, you are my hero
Loons [4k]: Move 144 freegame [-]: hmmm Loons [4k]: seki ! Murete [1d]: hehe Murete [1d]: its a long shot
Actorios [5k]: Thanks a lot for the game
lavalamp [1k]: Thank you very much
Actorios [5k]: That's kind Loons... don't know why you say that
freegame [-]: great game for the spectators
Loons [4k]: Coolest
Loons [4k]: Seki
lavalamp [1k]: I have to get ready for work now
Loons [4k]: Ever
lavalamp [1k]: I bet it was!
lavalamp [1k]: See you all later
Loons [4k]: seeya
Loki [6k?]: whay happened to you joseki site?
Actorios [5k]: Thanks again, Daniel
Actorios [5k]: Was very enjoyable game
Actorios [5k]: I'm looking forward to learning from it
Loons [4k]: Look at the size of that thing, and not even touching an edge
lavalamp [1k]:
Actorios [5k]: freegame, would you like to review it ?
Actorios [5k]: If you feel like it, of course
])

[daniel_the_smith]

Thanks for the game, it was fun and you had chances

Sorry I couldn't stay and review.

[Chew Terr]

Thanks for posting, that was a cool game to play through. Actorios, at least you went down nobly.

[Marcus]

That was an awesome seki, and a truly enjoyable game. Thanks to both players, and congrats to Daniel.

[lindentree]

MountainGo(W) vs. lindentree(B), B+53.5

http://files.gokgs.com/games/2010/7/23/MountainGo-lindentree.sgf

[Joaz Banbeck]

MountainGo(W) vs. lindentree(B),

8: Wrong way. The standard joseki gets you a nice wall to go with D3

18: Again, the choice of joseki ignores neighboring corners.

21: Ouch

23: Ouch

45: The wrong direction. Try Q8. Take 4th rank territory while chasing him toward your wall. Forcing white toward the center just encourages him to surround your center group.

[daniel_the_smith]

8: Wrong way. The standard joseki gets you a nice wall to go with D3

Disagree. D3 is too far away. Black ends in sente and can nullify the wall.

As you can see here, when pros block the way you're proposing there's almost always a stone on or near D10. (Sorry, I'll try not to be obnoxious with stuff like this, but it's so easy to check now...)

[lindentree]

MountainGo(W) vs. lindentree(B),

8: Wrong way. The standard joseki gets you a nice wall to go with D3

18: Again, the choice of joseki ignores neighboring corners.

21: Ouch

23: Ouch

45: The wrong direction. Try Q8. Take 4th rank territory while chasing him toward your wall. Forcing white toward the center just encourages him to surround your center group.

Um, thank you for the comments, but you could have been clearer on who each comment was intended for.

[Aphelion]

Oroth vs Aphelion will be in 30 min or so (about 11:20am EST).

[Aphelion]

Aphelion vs Oroth, I took black and won by resignation. Attached is game with review from Shaddy.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]OT[10/300 Canadian]
PW[Oroth]PB[Aphelion02]WR[2k]BR[6k]DT[2010-07-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: good game
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[2695.93]C[Oroth [2k]: you too
]
;W[dd]WL[2693.784]C[LiKao [5k]: TL fighting!
]
;B[pq]BL[2690.444]C[Oroth [2k]: hope i play a bit better than my last game
Aphelion02 [6k]:
]
;W[dp]WL[2685.467]
;B[oc]BL[2685.758]
;W[qj]WL[2682.713]
;B[qn]BL[2682.818]C[LiKao [5k]: I totally missed that making that eye was sente
Shadonra [1d]: usually not considered good to let your opponent have two enclosures
Shadonra [1d]: but it's not awful either
]
;W[qg]WL[2675.971]
;B[fc]BL[2667.826]
;W[hd]WL[2634.808]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: btw, fundamentalism > communism
Oroth [2k]: better to approach instead
Shadonra [1d]: yup
]
;B[cc]BL[2645.773]C[Oroth [2k]: definitely
]
;W[dc]WL[2620.396]
;B[cd]BL[2643.76]
;W[de]WL[2618.558]
;B[db]BL[2641.929]
;W[eb]WL[2616.677]
;B[cb]BL[2640.521]
;W[ec]WL[2613.716]
;B[cf]BL[2639.179]
;W[eg]WL[2603.6]
;B[fq]BL[2617.698]
;W[jq]WL[2593.479]
;B[cq]BL[2608.944]
;W[dq]WL[2573.558]
;B[cp]BL[2607.236]
;W[do]WL[2571.273]
;B[dr]BL[2605.854]
;W[er]WL[2570.351]
;B[cr]BL[2605.236]
;W[eq]WL[2569.208]
;B[cn]BL[2604.666]
;W[em]WL[2546.809]C[Oroth [2k]: well, you've got all four corners
Aphelion02 [6k]:
Aphelion02 [6k]: i can resign now
Oroth [2k]: hehe
]
;B[cm]BL[2540.478]
;W[mc]WL[2542.522]C[Shadonra [1d]: w should probably add a move around f4 soon
Actorios [5k]: 4 corners
]
;B[jc]BL[2529.466]
;W[me]WL[2534.74]
;B[fb]BL[2495.747]
(;W[ea]WL[2532.537]
;B[hc]BL[2492.822]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i expected f16
]
;W[fd]WL[2478.524]
;B[id]BL[2481.482]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: p15 was a move i wanted anyways
Aphelion02 [6k]: g17 is sente
Aphelion02 [6k]: double sente
Shadonra [1d]: yup
]
(;W[pd]WL[2468.677]C[Shadonra [1d]: but this is wrong
]
;B[pc]BL[2477.85]
(;W[qc]WL[2466.884]
;B[qe]BL[2459.73]
;W[rc]WL[2454.386]
;B[oe]BL[2456.778]
;W[nq]WL[2379.372]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i missed that this doesn't defend against r3
]
(;B[on]BL[2451.017]
;W[ch]WL[2342.195]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: should have q5 here
]
;B[bf]BL[2430.738]
;W[mn]WL[2308.055]
;B[gd]BL[2428.736]
;W[he]WL[2305.056]
;B[ge]BL[2426.923]C[adoreme [-]: no handicap tournament?
Shadonra [1d]: this way, d15 looks weak
Oroth [2k]: not doing much for sure
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea, not worth as much as c14 group
Aphelion02 [6k]: i reallyh like these kind of moves
Aphelion02 [6k]: that break shapes
Shadonra [1d]: ok, lunchtime for me. later guys
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea me too
Aphelion02 [6k]: later
Oroth [2k]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k]: i'll post this?
Oroth [2k]: bye
Oroth [2k]: sure
Aphelion02 [6k]: bye
]
(;W[rd]WL[2224.489]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: should i play p19 sente
Shadonra [1d]: this weakens r13 unnecessarily
]
;B[re]BL[2425.041]
;W[pb]WL[2200.994]
;B[ob]BL[2423.429]
;W[qa]WL[2190.469]C[LiKao [5k]: L19 tournament without handicap
Oroth [2k]: wow
Oroth [2k]: much better
Shadonra [1d]: besides, this is a ko shape
Oroth [2k]: heh
Oroth [2k]: yeah
]
(;B[og]BL[2420.198]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i feel white should have cut
]
;W[pf]WL[2174.945]
;B[pe]BL[2409.234]
;W[of]WL[2173.715]
;B[nf]BL[2407.575]C[LiKao [5k]: if you both say that fundamentalism > communism then I'll follow your opinion
LiKao [5k]: I didn't play it much
]
(;W[qh]WL[2124.228]
;B[ne]BL[2404.118]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: wtthis was kinda a b liunder
]
;W[ng]WL[2123.094]
;B[mf]BL[2401.918]
;W[mh]WL[2042.957]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: doh
]
(;B[le]BL[2397.393]C[Shadonra [1d]: this looks slow
]
;W[qq]WL[2004.512]
(;B[pp]BL[2313.192]C[Shadonra [1d]: i wonder how to deal with r3
]
;W[pr]WL[1949.873]
;B[or]BL[2309.21]
;W[qr]WL[1945.285]
;B[oq]BL[2307.972]
;W[ro]WL[1942.753]
;B[rn]BL[2302.786]C[Shadonra [1d]: well yeah
]
;W[qo]WL[1936.419]
(;B[po]BL[2292.298]
;W[qp]WL[1932.167]
;B[fr]BL[2276.35]
;W[es]WL[1915.16]
;B[fo]BL[2252.452]C[adoreme [-]: actually communism is better, but human beings are not made to able to live communism ^^
]
;W[gp]WL[1887.336]C[RedStick [5k]: then... better for who/what?
]
;B[fp]BL[2187.903]C[LiKao [5k]: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Civilization_II/Government <- this claims that democracy and fundamentalism are best
RedStick [5k]: is it just me or does W seem short on points?
]
;W[en]WL[1860.474]C[RedStick [5k]: althouh not sure what aph is trying to do with f3.
LiKao [5k]: but half the posters didn't realize the thread got derailed from politics to Civ^^
]
;B[ip]BL[2130.803]
;W[jp]WL[1833.246]
;B[go]BL[2120.517]
;W[hr]WL[1822.617]C[ChemBoy613 [-]: they're coming out with Civ 5
]
;B[hp]BL[2098.21]C[LiKao [5k]: I only played civ 2 and a tiny bit of civ3
adoreme [-]: in civ4 representation was best
ChemBoy613 [-]: civ 4 was awesome
ChemBoy613 [-]: but eventually there were so many units my computer had a hard time
]
;W[jn]WL[1746.503]C[LiKao [5k]: So those guys doubted me what I said it's a simple fact that there is no corruption in democratic nations
adoreme [-]: i would straight tech to nuclear weapons build a thousand and vote them out of the UN before anyone else can build a lot
]
;B[gm]BL[2049.266]C[LiKao [5k]: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1183 funny politics thread
ChemBoy613 [-]: i like winning cultural victories
]
;W[il]WL[1706.265]
;B[gk]BL[2042.96]
;W[ek]WL[1677.273]
;B[ir]BL[2040.86]
;W[iq]WL[1673.922]
;B[hq]BL[2028.183]C[adoreme [-]: i trust the ecessive use of nuclear weapons until the whole map turns to desert
]
;W[jr]WL[1641.78]C[LiKao [5k]: So you agree with my motto: nukes fix everything
]
;B[in]BL[1984.264]C[LiKao [5k]: ok there is something they don't fix: Even more nukes
adoreme [-]: if you are on the short end in the number of nukes your world has you deserve being fixed
]
;W[pm]WL[1551.651]
;B[pn]BL[1979.287]
;W[nl]WL[1538.226]
;B[np]BL[1929.233]
;W[mq]WL[1518.547]
;B[mp]BL[1927.047]
;W[lq]WL[1504.036]
(;B[jo]BL[1925.224]
;W[ko]WL[1500.705]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: wrong timing
Shadonra [1d]: this b move hurts your group
Aphelion02 [6k]: totally wrong
]
;B[io]BL[1923.503]
;W[ql]WL[1477.559]
;B[lo]BL[1920.289]
;W[kn]WL[1455.705]
;B[lp]BL[1907.28]
;W[kp]WL[1448.458]
;B[ln]BL[1905.728]
;W[lm]WL[1440.817]C[Kirby [14k?]: is this a tournament game?
LiKao [5k]: yes
]
;B[so]BL[1803.572]
;W[sr]WL[1417.503]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: here i should die
Aphelion02 [6k]: here i was in trouble
]
;B[nn]BL[1800.982]C[Oroth [2k]: yeah,
]
;W[mm]WL[1390.394]
;B[om]BL[1778.431]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: flailing now
]
;W[pl]WL[1351.159]C[Oroth [2k]: i was liking my chances here
]
;B[ol]BL[1760.979]
;W[ok]WL[1349.002]
;B[rl]BL[1756.325]
(;W[rk]WL[1344.087]C[Kirby [14k?]: cool
RedStick [5k]: anyone want to join my free game?
LiKao [5k]: if has reasonable time settings, yes
fwiffo [3k]: I don't have pants on yet
WorldCop [2k]: tmi?
fwiffo [3k]: it's just a measure of how coherent I am on a saturday morning
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
Shadonra [1d]: probably, i don't know though
Shadonra [1d]: i can't read these corners quickly
WorldCop [2k]: t2 is dead locally
Oroth [2k]: oh really?
Shadonra [1d]: raelly?
WorldCop [2k]: t4
WorldCop [2k]: hm
]
(;B[km]BL[1632.98]C[fwiffo [3k]: if I'm still in PJs, I shouldn't try to play go.
Kirby [14k?]: i grabbed it
]
;W[nk]WL[1290.182]C[darrell [3k]: Black to live with N5, T8
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
]
;B[sp]BL[1563.289]C[LiKao [5k]: how could I miss N5...
redundant [3k]: t8,t6?
LiKao [5k]: one eye in sente
]
;W[rs]WL[1233.081]
;B[mo]BL[1551.867]
;W[oo]WL[1230.013]C[fwiffo [3k]: T7 eye can be made false
]
;B[sn]BL[1536.261]C[darrell [3k]: yes
fwiffo [3k]: w has to live too though
LiKao [5k]: can it be made false without w dying?
LiKao [5k]: I think b lives
LiKao [5k]: if w plays at the bottom t8 lives, and if w playes around t8 then his corner dies by s3
fwiffo [3k]: good job black
Shadonra [1d]: wow, black is rockin'
Shadonra [1d]: top right corner is still ko too
]
;W[sl]WL[933.169]
;B[rq]BL[1532.787]C[Actorios [5k]: whaou
]
;W[nr]WL[929.706]C[LiKao [5k]: lol
WorldCop [2k]: stupid
]
;B[ps]BL[1487.188]
;W[rr]WL[920.812]C[Shadonra [1d]: b can tenuki now
Oroth [2k]: sigh
]
;B[os]BL[1475.372]
;W[op]WL[916.873]
;B[no]BL[1473.918]
;W[rm]WL[914.775]C[Oroth [2k]: hmm
WorldCop [2k]: how's top right ko?
Shadonra [1d]: t18
Kirby [14k?]: the top right shape is in maybe 80% of my tsumego books
LiKao [5k]: making bottom right live was quite a feat of black
]
;B[ck]BL[1365.521]
;W[ij]WL[901.076]C[WorldCop [2k]: killing w no less
Aphelion02 [6k]: argh
WorldCop [2k]: quite the feat of w i think
Oroth [2k]: hmm?
WorldCop [2k]: t2 is wrong by white too
WorldCop [2k]: he should block
Oroth [2k]: shouln't have played t8
]
(;B[gi]BL[1339.266]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: knew i should take that point
]
;W[ei]WL[861.758]C[Shadonra [1d]: i think that big white dragon might die
LiKao [5k]: lol
Aphelion02 [6k]: i wish
]
;B[gg]BL[1301.116]
;W[gh]WL[842.007]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i played j10
]
;B[hh]BL[1297.08]
;W[fh]WL[840.113]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: instead of c9
]
(;B[ii]BL[1291.154]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i was imagining i could get c9 sente first
]
;W[hj]WL[836.294]
;B[gj]BL[1289.85]
;W[hi]WL[835.198]
;B[ih]BL[1280.155]C[LiKao [5k]: I think it could have broked through the one space jumps
]
;W[hl]WL[827.289]C[WorldCop [2k]: w so reasonable
]
;B[gl]BL[1277.521]C[Shadonra [1d]: one space jumps are hard to break
]
;W[gr]WL[813.187]C[Shadonra [1d]: ooh, nice
]
;B[gq]BL[1253.576]C[Actorios [5k]: H6
Actorios [5k]: no
LiKao [5k]: f1 only move
Actorios [5k]: black will live
Shadonra [1d]: l11 looks fun
]
(;W[ki]WL[776.719]C[Shadonra [1d]: WHAT
LiKao [5k]: I hear you
Shadonra [1d]: KILL
LiKao [5k]: F1 kill gogo
Oroth [2k]: just f1
Shadonra [1d]: yup
]
;B[dj]BL[1225.749]C[Shadonra [1d]: nice.
]
;W[fs]WL[729.492]C[LiKao [5k]: aphi is a tournament monster
fwiffo [3k]: oooh
]
;B[ej]BL[1217.048]C[Shadonra [1d]: game over
]
;W[fe]WL[689.366]C[Oroth [2k]: thought i was fixing my shape
]
;B[ff]BL[1195.214]
;W[ef]WL[656.319]
;B[di]BL[1187.801]C[Actorios [5k]: H14?
]
;W[fg]WL[641.241]
;B[gf]BL[1185.461]C[WorldCop [2k]: w underestimated too much
LiKao [5k]: w h13 perhaps
Oroth [2k]: here now was just desperation
]
;W[dh]WL[598.443]C[LiKao [5k]: hmm doesn't work
Shadonra [1d]: act- h14 back there fails
dfan [3k]: Does B even need to respond to this?
Shadonra [1d]: nnope!
Shadonra [1d]: wait, yes
Shadonra [1d]: maybe?
Actorios [5k]: should he even consider calculating ?
fwiffo [3k]: might as well, it's game over if this dies
dfan [3k]: How about E15 now, just for fun
]
;B[ee]BL[1090.516]C[Shadonra [1d]: it's game over even if it lives
WorldCop [2k]: oh this is a mistake
Actorios [5k]: that's what I mean : if I were black, i would not try to save moves
dfan [3k]: D14 E16 C13 F11
WorldCop [2k]: yes, needs many more moves
]
;W[bg]WL[519.619]
;B[ce]BL[1044.031]
;W[bl]WL[510.156]C[Actorios [5k]: alive, no
Actorios [5k]: ?
WorldCop [2k]: no
Shadonra [1d]: game over
Shadonra [1d]: questions?
Shadonra [1d]: comments?
Aphelion02 [6k]: none, thanks
Aphelion02 [6k]: not comfortable playing this
Aphelion02 [6k]: 4 corners
Aphelion02 [6k]: no influence
Aphelion02 [6k]: style
Oroth [2k]: seems strange
Shadonra [1d]: i'd be jumping in glee
Aphelion02 [6k]: but i thought the position favored me
Aphelion02 [6k]: so i just took the territory
WorldCop [2k]: i wonder if r17 should work like that
Oroth [2k]: i don't like being so far behind in territory
WorldCop [2k]: seems a bad result for black
]
;B[bk]BL[994.078]C[dfan [3k]: W has 0 eyes
]
;W[cl]WL[495.129]
;B[dl]BL[987.117]
;W[dk]WL[493.368]
;B[el]BL[980.897]C[LiKao [5k]: 1 I think
Shadonra [1d]: where is it
LiKao [5k]: or perhaps 0.5
Actorios [5k]: what if D14 ?
Shadonra [1d]: i'm seeing nothing
LiKao [5k]: w d14 should be an eye in gote
Shadonra [1d]: ah, right
]
;W[af]WL[444.994]C[Shadonra [1d]: he's gonna try to kill?
]
;B[ae]BL[963.362]C[Actorios [5k]: it's way too big, no?
Shadonra [1d]: yup
WorldCop [2k]: b should have d14 to this
]
;W[ag]WL[408.652]C[WorldCop [2k]: still
]
;B[bd]BL[941.451]C[WorldCop [2k]: pff
LiKao [5k]: pff
Oroth [2k]: ty
Aphelion02 [6k]: ty
Aphelion02 [6k]: gg
fwiffo [3k]: Aphelion, you're a monster!
Aphelion02 [6k]:
Aphelion02 [6k]: ride the wave!
Actorios [5k]: Whaou, Aphelion... what a success !
Actorios [5k]: Next opponent is in dan, I guess
Shadonra [1d]: no worries
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k]: dead tired
Aphelion02 [6k]: *deadtired[2d]
Aphelion02 [6k]: thanks oroth for the game
Oroth [2k]: thankyou
LiKao [5k]: 2d is nothing. You can do it
Aphelion02 [6k]: yes!
Shadonra [1d]: 2d only slightly tougher than 1d
Aphelion02 [6k]: hahaha
Shadonra [1d]: who is only slightly tougher than 1k
Shadonra [1d]: and so forth
Aphelion02 [6k]: well marcus did it
LiKao [5k]: why are you still 6k aphi
Aphelion02 [6k]: lol
WorldCop [2k]: this tournament is the revenge of the underdogs
Shadonra [1d]: he's a SANDBAGGER
Shadonra [1d]: GET HIM
Aphelion02 [6k]: *runs*
LiKao [5k]: wheneven I see you play I think that you're much stronger than that
Aphelion02 [6k]: likao, i don't play enough, and i play very reckessly in anonymous games
Oroth [2k]: yah, seems much stronger than 6k
LiKao [5k]: yes, your biggest weakness is making stupid mistakes in casual games
Aphelion02 [6k]: haha
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea, need to cure that
Aphelion02 [6k]: also, i'm on a good momentum streak right now
Oroth [2k]: also i'm quite a weak 2k, so perhaps we are not too far apart
Aphelion02 [6k]: so it seems i'm stronger than i am
Oroth [2k]: i think you could be at least 3k
Aphelion02 [6k]: hopefully i will be soon
Aphelion02 [6k]: alright, shaddy mind reviewing?
Shadonra [1d]: sure
Oroth [2k]: if i remember 6k seems like quite a wide rank, with lots of people of quite different strengths
Actorios [5k]: what would have been the situation if Oroth played S3 instead of T8 ?
])
(;W[fs]C[Shadonra [1d]: big waste of aji
Oroth [2k]: yeah
]
;B[el]C[Oroth [2k]: think i'm behind anyway
Shadonra [1d]: b can cut though
]
;W[dl]
;B[ej]
;W[dj]
;B[dk]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: h8 was bad
Aphelion02 [6k]: it was thank you move
Shadonra [1d]: yeah..
]))
(;B[hi]C[Shadonra [1d]: solid's probably better
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea better
]))
(;B[ej]C[Shadonra [1d]: this doesn't work?
Aphelion02 [6k]: felt messy
]
;W[fj]
(;B[fk]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: wasn't in a mood to risk
])
(;B[el]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: plus i still have g2
Aphelion02 [6k]: to worry about
]
;W[gr]C[Shadonra [1d]: ah, yeah
])))
(;B[sp]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: s1 i think
]
;W[rs]C[Oroth [2k]: s1
]
(;B[ps]
;W[rq])
(;B[rq]
;W[ps]
;B[rr]
;W[rp]))
(;B[rs]
;W[sp]))
(;W[no]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
Shadonra [1d]: dead
Aphelion02 [6k]: i saw this
Oroth [2k]: yeah
Oroth [2k]: i thought about htis
Aphelion02 [6k]: then i had this sinking feeling
]))
(;B[ql]C[Shadonra [1d]: yeah
]
;W[qm]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: was worried about o5
]
;B[rm]
;W[pl]))
(;B[qp]
(;W[rp]
;B[po]C[Shadonra [1d]: maybe this way
])
(;W[po]
;B[rp]C[Shadonra [1d]: is this so bad for b?
WorldCop [2k]: why would w do that?
Aphelion02 [6k]: thats still giving white a littl more than he deserves?
])))
(;B[qr]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i think p6 was wrong
]
;W[pr]
(;B[pp])
(;B[or]
;W[pp]
;B[oq]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: hence this problem
]
(;W[qp]
;B[op]
;W[rr]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: mm
]
;B[ps])
(;W[rr]
;B[ps]
;W[rp]
;B[qo]
;W[qp]
;B[op]
;W[ro]
;B[rn]
;W[rs]
;B[sq])))
(;B[qp]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]
;W[rq]
;B[or]
;W[pp]C[Shadonra [1d]: p6 @ p5 seems better though
]
;B[oq]
;W[qo]
(;B[po]
;W[rp]
;B[op]
;W[rn])
(;B[op]C[Shadonra [1d]: i dunno
Shadonra [1d]: it seems hard
]
;W[po]
;B[rn]
;W[pn]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: all better than mine
])))
(;B[kf]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: really
])
(;B[jf]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: mm
Shadonra [1d]: get more points like this
]))
(;W[ne]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
Oroth [2k]: q13?
]
(;B[pg]
;W[qf]
;B[qh]C[Shadonra [1d]: this is fine
]
;W[ng]
;B[mf]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[rh]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: mm
]
;B[pi]
;W[ri]C[Aphelion02 [6k]: i have no time for that
]
;B[lf]C[Actorios [5k]: R12 doesn't kill, here ?
])
(;B[qh]
;W[ng]
;B[mf]
;W[oh])))
(;B[sb]
;W[rb]
;B[ra]))
(;W[pb]C[Shadonra [1d]: simple life here
]
;B[ob]
;W[qa]C[Oroth [2k]: oh
]
;B[rd]
;W[rb]))
(;B[oo]C[Shadonra [1d]: or here
Aphelion02 [6k]: mm does that work
Shadonra [1d]: might
])
(;B[oq])
(;B[po]C[Oroth [2k]: looks more solid
Shadonra [1d]: trouble with this is, it looks like you played a one-space enclosure
Shadonra [1d]: and r6 is misplaced
Aphelion02 [6k]: yea
Shadonra [1d]: it's workable though
]))
(;W[qe]C[Oroth [2k]: yeah looked silly
]
;B[rd]))
(;W[qc]C[Shadonra [1d]: q16 aji keshi
Aphelion02 [6k]: i didn't mind though
])
(;W[rd]C[Shadonra [1d]: w can do this
]
(;B[qe]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]C[Shadonra [1d]: and it will end up like that
])
(;B[rc]
;W[re])
(;B[re]
;W[qe]
;B[rc]
;W[pd]
;B[qc]
;W[rf]
;B[sd]C[Shadonra [1d]: this looks good for w
]))
(;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[gd]
;B[hb]C[Oroth [2k]: hmm
]))
(;W[fa]C[Shadonra [1d]: hane
]))