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Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:09 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:15 pm
by Kirby
It's closer than I thought. I'll have to play the right order for the endgame moves to make sure that I am ahead.

I'm going to take another break.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:47 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . B . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will threaten to cut apart his groups. I think that this is sente. If he ignores it, I should be able to kill something.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:11 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . W . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:43 pm
by Violence
Chance!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . 2 1 X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O 3 W . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X 6 5 4 O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O 7 . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . 9 8 X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think you can cut.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:48 pm
by Chew Terr
Violence and observers:
Because of what Violence just posted, am I right in thinking that white should sacrifice the four stones at M13? Or is that just too much to bear?

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:54 pm
by Violence
Even if white sacrifices them, Black has already gained in the endgame, without capturing them. Black can continue to grab sente endgame and then come back for a nice 11 point gote grab.(Apologies to people with better endgame skills than mine if I messed up the value of capturing the stones, I still contend that it's epicly good for black.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:17 pm
by zinger
I'm not so sure, white 4 in your diagram doesn't look right. Instead:

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[go]$$c Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . 2 1 X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O 3 O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . 5 O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O 4 . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O 6 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

... and white gets away. But that puts the right side group in danger, so maybe there is something there after all, hmmm.


edit:

What an interesting situation. It looks like white can omit 6 in my diagram, and use it to defend the right side instead. But then that might incur a loss in the upper right corner .. it is always fascinating to me how seemingly separate areas can interact.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:22 pm
by Chew Terr
Oh, I agree that it's great for black, I was just curious the best way for W to play it. Thanks, by the way, your diagrams make good sense.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:21 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . B X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I said for the last move that, if he didn't defend, I should be able to kill something.

I'm not totally sure that that's still not possible. I think I might see something interesting.

If it stops looking promising, I'll move on to another big part of the board... But right now, it looks promising to me!

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:24 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Yay, Kirby's fighting for something other than holding on! Maybe he should've treated the whole game like one giant endgame.

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:07 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . W . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
yea.. i saw that already. best option for me is to give him 4 stones. i know i have urgent place to go..i am not really intrested in that 4 stones. i will distroy the corner in sente and..try to live in left corner. what kerby played is too small at this time. i will say it is his mistake.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . O . . X . . . X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . X O . . . . . X . W . |
$$ | . . 4 5 . O . . X . . O . O . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 7 . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:26 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X B . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't expect this...

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:37 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X X W |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:05 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . O O X X . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . O X . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O X O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X O . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . . X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . X O . . . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . X . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . B . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm sure that there is a weakness I can exploit somewhere around here if he doesn't defend...