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#201 drmwc vs lovelove

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Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:57 am
by drmwc
topazg:

It's worse than the move played. Consider the follow up after I hane as in the diagrm:

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[go]$$c 2 tenuki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | 2 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O 9 |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O 8 O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O 6 3 O 0 O 7 O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . 4 5 O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


9 is my sente with the move I played, it is gote with the other move. Note that I have connected underneath - I don't need to atari. If I play the snapback, this sequence is no longer sente for me, and takes less points:


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[go]$$c 2 tenuki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | 2 . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O 8 O O X |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O 6 3 O . O 7 O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . 4 5 O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:05 pm
by Uberdude
For black's last move I would have b10; s16 and n5 are both around 8 points, so miai, and b10 is almost double sente now and W's move there is really annoying as black's group doesn't actually have 2 eyes yet and it would suck for that to give w better sente yose. (I didn't take into account the fact s16 is maybe a point or two extra due to eyes of W's stick, but still, they are pretty close in size.)

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:09 pm
by emeraldemon
@lovelove:
Who do you think is winning right now? By how much?

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:59 pm
by Bill Spight
@ topazg

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[go]$$c Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O 4 |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O 2 3 |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O 1 5 |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After :b1: - :b5:, Black has :b7: as a later follower.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O a |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O 2 . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . 6 O . O , O 1 3 |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . b . 5 O O X X O O |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b1: - :b3: has :b5: - :b7: as a later follower, leaving "a" and "b" miai.

The first diagram is in this case aji keshi, destroying the Black threat to connect. :) The second diagram is 1/2 point better.

Edit (having seen other responses):

Note that if :b5: is at 7, :w6: responds at 5. :b5: is ambiguous between Black sente and Black gote.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:52 pm
by drmwc
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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O 7 X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here are the comments I intended to make for my previous move:

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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . d . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O g . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O c . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X O O |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X a X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X f . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X b O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are big moves at a, b and c. The peep at d is potentially big and but it's nastier if I can reduce white's liberties on the LHS first.

a is around 9 points. Not that the connection makes e almost sente for B (a threatens a follow up move worth 6 points in gote,

b is around 6 points in sente if W answers at f. If W doesn't answer at, B's follow up is:

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[go]$$c 2 tenuki
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X a X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X 4 . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X 1 O 3 6 . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | 2 . . . . . . 5 . . . . e . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This gains a further 4 or 5 points in sente, giving the original move a value of 10 or 11 points - it seems to marginally larger than a in the first diagram. B5 isn't truly sente, but I got bored of counting at this point.

c has a base value of 7 points - W gains 4 points and compared to W connecting at f, W loses 3 points. Then the hane I showed in my reply to Topazg is either 3 points in sente for B or 6 points in gote, so this move is worth 10 points.

The reason I chose the slightly smaller out b and c is the aji of the peep at d - if W has no eyes, it may quite become a lot of fun for me.

I hadn't considered 86 in the game. But I think that 87 is a reasonable reply.

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | 3 . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O 1 X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | 7 . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | 2 5 . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | 6 O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this variation, B keeps enough territory and can capture the two stones on the edge later. So here's another idea for W:

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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | 6 O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | 5 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | 8 O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | 4 O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | 2 7 X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O 1 X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W has reduced my side from 12 points to 8 points, but in gote, and has reduced his liberties. Continuing from here, W needs to be careful:


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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 1 2 X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O 5 O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | O O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | 4 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O 3 X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Answering the peep at 2 is dangerous. It's hard to answer B 5 - for example. the block shown loses.


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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 5 9 8 . 7 a . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 4 3 . O X O X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . 2 1 O O X O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | O O X O X O 0 . . O . b O . O , O X X |
$$ | O O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O X X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Next , B plays at a for a giant ko. B has ko threats e.g. at b, so B wins this line by about 400 points.

lovelove is quite a light player, so he will probably just tenuki and not get sucked into my nonsense. Which is a shame, because I like lines like these.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:00 pm
by lovelove
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[go]$$cm181 Prisoners: Black 3 White 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | 8 O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon wrote:@lovelove:
Who do you think is winning right now? By how much?

The game seems close than I thought. I tend to be optimistic in the middlegame... but still think I'm winning by a small margin.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:52 am
by drmwc
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[go]$$cm181
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | . O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If W connects, it's the same as my general nonsense line given earlier. A more sensible continuation for W than the one earlier is:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | 6 O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | 5 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | 4 O 7 X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | 2 1 X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | 3 . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 3 5 X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | O O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | 2 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O 1 X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X 8 X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X 7 O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think W has to connect at 4. I haven't decided if I'll continue at 5 above, but I've given the line for reference. 6 is big after my connection. 7 and 8 are miai, and as I explained I think 7 is bigger. Conintuing on from here:


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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X O O X X X X X X X O 7 |
$$ | . . . O O O O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | O O X O X O . . . O 6 3 O . O , O X X |
$$ | O O O X X X X X X . . 4 5 O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O X X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O . . O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X 2 . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W could consider answering 3 above, for example at 5. But then I've gained 2 points in sente compared a W play at 1. So I get to connect underneath in sente. Then the biggest moves are:


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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X X X O O X X X X X X X O 1 |
$$ | . . . O O O O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | O O X O X O . . . O O 2 O . O , O X X |
$$ | O O O X X X X X X . . O X O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O X X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | O X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X . . X O 4 X 5 . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O . . O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X O . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X O . O . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's now possible to count quite accurately from here, and B is ahead by lots if this happens.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:56 am
by lovelove
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[go]$$cm181
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | 0 O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:33 am
by drmwc
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[go]$$cm191
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | 1 X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W's move was better than in the previous diagrams by me, but it's equivalent to me having ataried at B10 for move 185 and getting an answer. (I didn't play that as I wasn't sure I'd get an answer.)

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:11 am
by lovelove
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[go]$$cm191
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | . O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | X X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X 2 O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:14 am
by drmwc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm191
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . X O O X X X X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O . O O X O O . O O . |
$$ | 4 O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O X X |
$$ | 3 O O X X X X X X . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | O X X . X . O O X X X X X O X . X X X |
$$ | O O . X . X O . O . O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . X X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | X X X . X X X X X O . . O . X X . . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O O . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . O X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X O . O . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . . . . O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . O . , O X X O X , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O X . . O . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O O . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:05 am
by lovelove
I resign, thank you for the game.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:42 am
by Uberdude
:clap: :clap:

Well played both, was fun to watch.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:08 am
by drmwc
Thank you lovelove - it was an incredibly difficult game. I spent many hours on my moves.

You play with a very light style, which is in stark contrast to my heavy, fighting-based approach. Moves like W 74 would never occur to me. (I think it's a good move.) I probably spent 2-3 hours on 75, before settling on the attachment I played. There was a huge number of possibilities for both our moves around this point.

Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:10 am
by Magicwand
dramc: let me know if you want a game with me.
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