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Javaness2 wrote:Shouldn't we be using an analogy to discuss lag? Maybe some kind of tea party, or community fair?

EdLee wrote:Blind men and an elephant

Cargo cult science

I don't really get the point you are trying to make

Javaness2 wrote:Shouldn't we be using an analogy to discuss lag? Maybe some kind of tea party, or community fair?

Ok, so you are out at a franchised restaurant and order a steak. It sometimes takes a really long time to get your food. You have tried sitting at different tables in the restaurant, and also ordering different side dishes with your steak, but none of these seem to guarantee being served quickly. Other restaurants seem to serve you quickly, of course most of them aren't offering steak. Some people in other cities don't seem to have a problem getting a steak quickly from their restaurants of the same franchise. The problem may lie in: having a slow cook, your restaurant being busier for its size, having a disinterested server who forgets about you, a poor GM managing your specific venue, or a systemic problem in the supply chain in the franchising system.

duckweed wrote:You will need admins to work with you to perform tests from their side to eliminate it as a network issue first.

...you must be new around here.

A little clarity from Louis CK on modern technology and issues of lag. Warning: explicit stuff but funny as hell.

http://youtu.be/KpUNA2nutbk

deja wrote:A little clarity from Louis CK on modern technology and issues of lag. Warning: explicit stuff but funny as hell.

http://youtu.be/KpUNA2nutbk

Relative to sitting in caves scratching the dirt with sticks, the internet is pretty cool. But once you decide to do something on the internet that could have been done in person, or through the mail, and a technical failure fouls it up, the internet is irritating. You don't need to be a genius to understand that.

jts wrote:

deja wrote:A little clarity from Louis CK on modern technology and issues of lag. Warning: explicit stuff but funny as hell.

http://youtu.be/KpUNA2nutbk

Relative to sitting in caves scratching the dirt with sticks, the internet is pretty cool. But once you decide to do something on the internet that could have been done in person, or through the mail, and a technical failure fouls it up, the internet is irritating. You don't need to be a genius to understand that.

True.
But I don't find it more irritating than when the mail loses your package or standing in line at DMV for 4 hours, and stuff like that. Lets face it - this is a complex world, and whatever we do, every now and then we bump into good reasons to get irritated. Internet is no exception.

hyperpape wrote:

duckweed wrote:You will need admins to work with you to perform tests from their side to eliminate it as a network issue first.

...you must be new around here.

I am.

And from a newbie perspective the unlimited 'likes' feature in this forum seems to have generated a high school clique like culture ?

Basically,

1. 'like' people who 'like' your posts.

2. 'like' people who post against people who you dislike.

3. 'like' the all the posts of the people in the your clique.

Its a war of 'likes' out here !

Anyone feels the same about this?

duckweed wrote:

hyperpape wrote:

duckweed wrote:You will need admins to work with you to perform tests from their side to eliminate it as a network issue first.

...you must be new around here.

I am.

And from a newbie perspective the unlimited 'likes' feature in this forum seems to have generated a high school clique like culture ?

Basically,

1. 'like' people who 'like' your posts.

2. 'like' people who post against people who you dislike.

3. 'like' the all the posts of the people in the your clique.

Its a war of 'like's out here !

Anyone feels the same about this?

Nope.
Personally, I 'like' the posts I like, regardless who posts them. I hope this feeling is reciprocated.

However - I do wonder about the reason for the 'like' button. Maybe its to cut on 'me too' posts? What does many 'likes' give you?

duckweed wrote: I am.

And from a newbie perspective the unlimited 'likes' feature in this forum seems to have generated a high school clique like culture ?

Basically,

1. 'like' people who 'like' your posts.

2. 'like' people who post against people who you dislike.

3. 'like' the all the posts of the people in the your clique.

Its a war of 'likes' out here !

Anyone feels the same about this?

No?

I see likes as having a few features:

- Easy way to find posts I want to bookmark, in a way
- Way of giving credit to helpful people that's vaguely tangible
- Encourages posts that people like to read, whether because of humour or knowledge

I've never noticed any cliquishness about them, and don't like particular people or against particular people. In my experience, the people who gather the most likes are the ones who contribute to the forum frequently and who often contribute helpfully or interestingly. I suppose you could call more frequent posters a clique, but it seems odd to expect that less frequent posters would generate more likes.

duckweed wrote:

hyperpape wrote:

duckweed wrote:You will need admins to work with you to perform tests from their side to eliminate it as a network issue first.

...you must be new around here.

I am.

And from a newbie perspective the unlimited 'likes' feature in this forum seems to have generated a high school clique like culture ?

Basically,

1. 'like' people who 'like' your posts.

2. 'like' people who post against people who you dislike.

3. 'like' the all the posts of the people in the your clique.

Its a war of 'likes' out here !

Anyone feels the same about this?

I've seen similar features on other sites being used aggressively by people to belittle others. As in sarcastically liking someone's posts after making it very clear to them that you think they're an idiot. Or liking posts breaking the rules that abuse another user and similar. You also get, well, like wars where you have trench warfare between two groups and heavy liking going on of posts making petty point scoring attempts at the "enemy," 99% of the time though they're just used to show you found a post useful, insightful, funny or the poster said what you were going to say. Just like on here.

Bantari wrote:[..] I do wonder about the reason for the 'like' button.

I’ve never wondered about these, or about “thank you” or “Karma” buttons. What I do wonder about is why some people in other forums seem to fish for likes/karma/thankyou and brag about high numbers (having lived on this planet for over half a century, I actually don’t wonder), but I have never observed such behaviour here (I think I’ve been here for about 2.5 years now which, to me, seems a long enough time to have an opinion).

Maybe its to cut on 'me too' posts?

Possible, but perhaps those programmers also think a little bit like me

What does many 'likes' give you?

I’m actually more interested in liking than in being liked

I click “like” when I like what I read, which may be for different reasons,the raisins being … helpful (i.e. I learnt something, or I think it is helpful for others), funny, friendly, thought-/mindful, caring, informative, etc. Cleverness alone usually is not enough for me to click. I click “like” to express my appreciation towards somebody for investing their time in meaningful communication.

I won’t deny, though, that it usually makes me happy if somebody liked what I wrote (although sometimes I wonder what exactly they liked), but I write what I write because *I* like it, and not in order to be liked by others.

I usually *do* hope that others like it, but this does not mean that I wish they clicked any button, but I rather wish it would be … helpful, informative, funny, etc. (see list above what I like). Seeing that somebody actually clicked the button is just a small sign that somebody liked it, which is nice to know, especially if the thread contains no direct feedback to the post/comment the person liked.

The impression of “cliques” that you, Duckweed, write about, is probably just related to what somebody wrote previously about internet & politics, and I guess it can be expected that people with similar mindsets “like” each other’s stuff more often than that of people with other views, but this is certainly not exclusive. Actually, it makes me happy when I can click “like” for somebody’s writing whose texts I usually don’t like that much. I guess I like crossing bridges/canyons

In the same direction, I think, goes the following observation of my own reading behaviour: Sometimes I notice that some people have many “likes”, but that I often either don’t understand or dissent with what’s been written. In such cases the “likes” give me reason to reconsider, and to watch more closely, because … maybe I really didn’t understand, maybe I can attain a new perspective … and also similar thoughts/feelings when somebody whose stuff I usually don’t really appreciate “likes” some of mine, this also often leads me to reading theirs with more patience to think about what they have meant.

Greetings, Tom

Hello,

I may agree with a person during this discussion and like their comments. I may disagree with the same person in another discussion and not like their comments (even though I'd probably like them if I change my mind later). I won't like based on the person -- it's based on whether I agree with their points on the subject at hand.

Regards,
Doug

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I may like if they stick to the subject of the thread.
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:[admin]
I may like if they stick to the subject of the thread.
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Don't worry Joaz. They're just preparing for the discussion regarding the future of "likes" in KGS' browser client.

Speaking of which -- Facebook Scam -- What Really Happens When You "Like"