$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X W . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X W . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:02 am
by drmwc
A long conditional sequence:
$$Bcm121 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 2 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 1 8 . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O 4 O X 0 . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . 3 O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm121 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 2 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 1 8 . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O 4 O X 0 . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . 3 O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't know if this is best. But it saves some stones and makes a little territory. Next:
$$Wcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . a . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . d X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . b . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . c . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . e . O X X . X . . O . X X . f . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 2 . . f O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . a . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . d X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . b . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . c . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . e . O X X . X . . O . X X . f . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 2 . . f O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
W 1 is very big - threatens to capute two stone and stops me from playing at a. So it's nearly double sente.
However, I intend to ingore it an play 2 above. There are big endgame points saving the two stones near 1 with d; and at b, c, e, f. I should get around half the big points, which leaves me a long way ahead.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:40 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think it would have been simpler for him to give me points and take sente... did not expect him to play this sequence..........
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:38 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Magicwand wrote:...i think it would have been simpler for him to give me points and take sente... did not expect him to play this sequence.
I was thinking much the same. If black plays this simple line, white gets small territory, but black gets sente. ( The circled spots are miai to connect )
$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X W 1 . C . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X C . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 5 . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X W 1 . C . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X C . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 5 . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There are several big spots for black's next move.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:13 pm
by drmwc
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
By my counting, this is a big move. Suppose I play somehting else. then this may happen:
$$B $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . 9 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . 8 7 4 . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . 0 3 6 5 X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 2 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , g . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$B $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . 9 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . 8 7 4 . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . 0 3 6 5 X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 2 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , g . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't have any very good defence against W 2. B 3 looks good, but W can cut off the stone as above. Following this:
$$Bm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O e X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X d c X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X 1 O X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . a X 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 3 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 1 . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O e X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X d c X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X 1 O X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . a X 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 3 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 1 . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
B protects against a cut with 11, an will then tenuki. W has create a gote move at a for later worth 5 or 6 points. W has reduced the black side by around 15 points (allowing for W c and d later and taking into account the W prisoner). Hence the move is worth around 18 points. It may be bigger than this if it activates a peep at g for later.
I believe this is bigger than any other endgame move. Not that a play at e is realtively small - it's around 9 or 10 points in gote.
It's becoming more possible to count accurately.
B has around 45 points top right; around 20 lower right; around 10 lower left; and a minimum of 12 in the centre. This gives a total of 87. and there is potential to expand if I get a reasonable share of the big yose.
W's lower group is at most 30 points if W gets all the yose. Top left is at most 30 points (if W captures the two stones).Centre is around 10 points. Total: 70 points plus komi. I lead by at least 10 points, and probably more.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:21 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if he plays something like this... i would have gone deep and it is BIG...
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . 6 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . 6 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:24 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@MW:
Magicwand wrote:...if he plays something like this... i would have gone deep and it is BIG...
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . 6 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . 6 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
MW: Why did you not just play at P13 last move if it is so big, instead of the gote at E19?
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:04 am
by Magicwand
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@MW:
Magicwand wrote:...if he plays something like this... i would have gone deep and it is BIG...
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . 6 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . 6 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
MW: Why did you not just play at P13 last move if it is so big, instead of the gote at E19?
because what i plahed is also big. Semi sente.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:12 am
by drmwc
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . 7 , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . 7 , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think MW can link undeneath, so my move is arguably small. But it's the area with the most aji for me.
Next:
$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O 0 X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 6 . . . X . O O . . . X . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . 8 O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 9 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . 1 . . 5 O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . 3 2 O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O 0 X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 6 . . . X . O O . . . X . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . 8 O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 9 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . 1 . . 5 O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . 3 2 O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
W 1 is big. However, I can cut at 2 in sente. Then 6 is my sente. 8 is big, and the reply at 9 is huge. So I get sente to play at 10.
If this happens, compared to the last count:
B has around nearly 50 points top right; around 20 lower right; around 7 lower left; and a minimum of 16 in the centre. This gives a total of 93.
W's lower group is around 25. Top left is around 20 points. Centre is around 10 points. Total: 55 points plus komi.
I lead by nearly 30 points. My counting is inaccurate, but it's not that bad. I wander what MW makes of the score at the moment.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:21 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 8 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . 7 , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 8 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . 7 , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:59 pm
by XiaoDragon
A quick estimate of the position shows W is behind at least 15 points on the board. The yose seems to be in B's favor as well. Can W really recover?
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:54 pm
by Phoenix
XiaoDragon wrote:A quick estimate of the position shows W is behind at least 15 points on the board. The yose seems to be in B's favor as well. Can W really recover?
You can be sure Magicwand will pull all the stops to try and scrape some more points. You'll see some of his crazier moves soon, I reckon.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:53 pm
by XiaoDragon
Phoenix wrote:[hide]
XiaoDragon wrote:A quick estimate of the position shows W is behind at least 15 points on the board. The yose seems to be in B's favor as well. Can W really recover?
You can be sure Magicwand will pull all the stops to try and scrape some more points. You'll see some of his crazier moves soon, I reckon. Scraping by up to 5 points in yose is not unheard of for mid-dan players. But white needs a lot more than that to win the game.
The way I read it, even if black plays a submissive yose, he still wins by at least 5 points (counting komi).
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:35 pm
by Phoenix
XiaoDragon wrote:The way I read it, even if black plays a submissive yose, he still wins by at least 5 points (counting komi).
Sorry if there was any confusion. I absolutely agree with you. I'm only pointing out that MW likes to shake heaven and earth with all sorts of gutsy moves when he senses he's behind. You'll notice the scarcity of comments on his part. He does this when he's in trouble.
I don't doubt drmwc will win by a fair margin, and I'm certain he won't make any grave mistakes in the face of MW's struggles.
Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:20 am
by drmwc
$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 8 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 9 . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . 7 , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 8 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . 9 . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . 7 , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . 6 . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
A big move - it should be sente. Next B9 looks very big, and is nearly sente. Next I will play B9 which is also nearly sente. If W answers, I am waivering next between J2 and R8. R8 is probably smaller, but it removes aji and I don't need optimal yose to win.
