Life In 19x19

I have a 15 year old Dell keyboard. I really like the feel so I've carried it from one computer to the next over the years. It's the kind that has mechanical switches - I find they give better feel than a modern keyboard. A bunch of the labels on the keys have gotten worn off, but that's OK, I use the Dvorak layout so the labels are pretty meaningless to me anyway.

kirkmc wrote:I reviewed the Kineses a number of years ago. My two complaints are that it's way too big, and that the action on the keys is (was) very stiff. It's also overpriced.

BTW, I use a Dvorak layout too; I just find that with less movement on the keys, I don't need an ergo shape keyboard.

I was fine on just dvorak, too, for a while, but the last nanowrimo combined with full-time programming convinced me to spend the money. Programming uses a lot of keys that are traditionally hit by the right pinky. I remapped my kinesis (yes, overpriced, keys seem ok to me, and size shouldn't be a problem if you put your trackpad in the middle) to spread them out a little.

A friend of mine went through a whole slew of keyboards (at significant expense considering one was a Topre Realforce) looking for a solution to his RSI. The Kinesis Freestyle is the first one that worked out for him.

daniel_the_smith wrote:re: dvorak:

I would say there's no point in learning it unless you *don't* already touch type; it's easier to learn than Qwerty and you won't be able to transfer your bad habits over. Or if you're getting RSI, but switch keyboards and mice before you go to all the effort.

If you're just typing with two or four fingers, there's no gain. If you touch type - either before or after learning Dvorak - then there is gain. But for most people who don't touch type and will never learn, I think it's a waste of time.

I use a Unicomp "Customizer 101" I bought new a few years ago. The keyboard is heavy enough to stun an ox. I love the feel of the buckling spring keys and the CLACK they make as I type. It's a PS/2 keyboard, but I have not had any trouble using a USB adapter. It's old school, but so am I .

fwiffo wrote:I use a Filco Majestouch tenkeyless with Cherry MX Brown switches, which is why I immediately recognized this:

Where were you a few months ago? I searched on the usual sites (Amazon, Newegg) for a compact keyboard or a regular/smallish kb without a tenkey, and all I found were really crappy overpriced options that were fundamentally flawed in some way or another (like this one with the most absurdly annoying 'enter' shape and placement and '/' placement ever).

This certainly doesn't offer a solution for "overpriced" but "crappy" seems to be taken care of. I will have to ponder.

kirkmc wrote:

daniel_the_smith wrote:re: dvorak:

I would say there's no point in learning it unless you *don't* already touch type; it's easier to learn than Qwerty and you won't be able to transfer your bad habits over. Or if you're getting RSI, but switch keyboards and mice before you go to all the effort.

If you're just typing with two or four fingers, there's no gain. If you touch type - either before or after learning Dvorak - then there is gain. But for most people who don't touch type and will never learn, I think it's a waste of time.

Is it really true that most people don't touch type? I mean, maybe most 50 year olds don't, but I'd suspect most 20 somethings do.

I prefer standard, I never bothered to learn emacs because vi is what exists everywhere so if I can do it in vi it makes everything so much easier.
It's no fun editing on a firewall where no programs can be installed if you cannot handle vi
(of course if you're doing more advanced things, it's different, but for me it's always been technical)

I hate the windows key, separable keyboards and other abominations. I still use my dell keyboard from 1995 or so, like wms I move it from one PC to another.

The only improvement I can think of is a tab key at the num pad.

Caps is pretty useless, but not as useless as the windows key, and ¨ and ^ are less usefull than eg the norwegian/danish ae or crossed over o (ö) for me.

½ is a key that I seriously boubt any sober person would put on a keyboard btw.

OK so I have some other ideas of improvements...
Also the space tab is too big, buut I generally like the "standard" keyboard, the only real bother is the lack of a tab key on the num pad

/Mats
/Mats

CSamurai wrote:What every geek wants.

Why would you want a keyboard with LEDs on the keys, do you look at your keyboard or something?


About Dvorak - I used it for over 5 years and just recently switched to qwerty. I think it's overrated: the advantages of marginally faster and more comfortable typing will not outweigh the disadvantages of using something nobody else does.

palapiku wrote:

CSamurai wrote:What every geek wants.

Why would you want a keyboard with LEDs on the keys, do you look at your keyboard or something?

What, you've never wanted your keyboard to display randomly changing images as you type?

I have touchtyped for over 15 years now, but having 113 programable, undetermined displays is way more awesome than the keyboard you dovorak users should buy.

CSamurai wrote:I have touchtyped for over 15 years now, but having 113 programable, undetermined displays is way more awesome than the keyboard you dovorak users should buy.

Haha, that keyboard always makes me laugh. The whole point of a keyboard with blank keys is to look pretty and clean - and then they go ahead and spoil everything with the retarded "das keyboard" logo.

Here's my own blank keyboard:

DrStraw wrote:I have never used anything except the keyboard which the computer comes with. It never occurred to me to do otherwise. Right now I have a small laptop and just use the keyboard on that. I don't even have a clue what most of the posts in the thread are talking about. Does it really make that much difference as most people can adjust to whatever they have. Sort of like driving a car - when I need one I just buy the best deal my mechanic has on his lot.

I think it's partly a question of how much "into" one's computer one is. That is, some folks -- possibly some here -- perhaps spend most of their waking hours working at a keyboard for one reason or another. For them, it makes sense to splurge a bit.

For most of us (especially those of us who can't even touch-type!) just any ol' thing will do!

Then there's also the "cool" factor -- which has got to be the only reason to buy that nifty keyboard with the programmable OLED keys.

hyperpape wrote:

kirkmc wrote:

daniel_the_smith wrote:re: dvorak:

I would say there's no point in learning it unless you *don't* already touch type; it's easier to learn than Qwerty and you won't be able to transfer your bad habits over. Or if you're getting RSI, but switch keyboards and mice before you go to all the effort.

If you're just typing with two or four fingers, there's no gain. If you touch type - either before or after learning Dvorak - then there is gain. But for most people who don't touch type and will never learn, I think it's a waste of time.

Is it really true that most people don't touch type? I mean, maybe most 50 year olds don't, but I'd suspect most 20 somethings do.

I highly doubt it. Touch typing means you don't need to look at the keyboard.

Helel wrote:

kirkmc wrote:

hyperpape wrote: Is it really true that most people don't touch type? I mean, maybe most 50 year olds don't, but I'd suspect most 20 somethings do.

I highly doubt it. Touch typing means you don't need to look at the keyboard.

Well when you use two hands this is easy since the fingers know where the letters are placed. What I find hard is when you have one hand on the pointing-device (track ball in my case) and only want to write a couple of letters like "hi" with the other hand. Hence my wish for keyboards where it's possible to move the labels.

And why should touch typing be less frequent among older people? Arthritis?

I've only met a handful of people, other than those in my line of work, or who are professional secretaries, who actually touch type. You must be living in a country where people were taught to type, because in most countries this is certainly not the case.

kirkmc wrote:I've only met a handful of people, other than those in my line of work, or who are professional secretaries, who actually touch type. You must be living in a country where people were taught to type, because in most countries this is certainly not the case.

There's plenty of people in my industry that touch type too

Unless on an unfamiliar keyboard, I'm only likely to look down for obscure presses like F keys, and I suspect in IT that's the norm rather than exception.