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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:51 am
by EdLee
Unusedname wrote:Haha I admit, I am quite the slave to proverbs and shape.
how do I ensure that I take something away from a review.
...it feels like when I play I just go into a trance.
Seems to be (at least) four questions in there.
- How do you know the info is correct.
For example, there is NO proverb that says you must always extend from thickness.
So if somebody told you that, then (a) they didn't know what they were talking about and
(b) you have successfully retained a wrong piece of info.
(By the way, have you figured out how you got that wrong idea to begin with? )
- How do you know the reviewer is any good. How do you know anyone is a good teacher in any field, in general.
- How do you know you understand something.
- What do you do about your trance in a game.
Re: Re:
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:06 pm
by oren
Unusedname wrote:
Haha I admit, I am quite the slave to proverbs and shape.
The most useful lesson I've ever had. Guo Juan was doing a workshop here and taught us not to push from behind as well as other topics. We then play some games to get reviewed later. During the review from my game she said I had to push from behind more.
That's when I realized following proverbs blindly is bad.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:30 pm
by Unusedname
EdLee wrote:Unusedname wrote:Haha I admit, I am quite the slave to proverbs and shape.
how do I ensure that I take something away from a review.
...it feels like when I play I just go into a trance.
Seems to be (at least) four questions in there.
- How do you know the info is correct.
For example, there is NO proverb that says you must always extend from thickness.
So if somebody told you that, then (a) they didn't know what they were talking about and
(b) you have successfully retained a wrong piece of info.
(By the way, have you figured out how you got that wrong idea to begin with? )
- How do you know the reviewer is any good. How do you know anyone is a good teacher in any field, in general.
- How do you know you understand something.
- What do you do about your trance in a game.
To me it makes sense because when I extend from thickness. If I am invaded or pincered, I only have to play from one side.
I don't ALWAYS extend.
For example in one game I had thickness but I was undercut so I felt uneasy about make an extension from there.
I'm not sure where i heard it. It must have been awhile ago.
Uhhh the trance is more just, I'm not actively thinking about what I just learned... Like I get too sucked up in the game. I suppose I develop a sort of tunnel vision. I love that part of the game that I just get, I don't know the word for it, Consumed? Enveloped?
I suppose this is just for me, but I need a way to make sure I'm actively trying to apply what I've learned and not let it drown to the back of my mind.
The most useful lesson I've ever had. Guo Juan was doing a workshop here and taught us not to push from behind as well as other topics. We then play some games to get reviewed later. During the review from my game she said I had to push from behind more.
That's when I realized following proverbs blindly is bad.
hahah but even still it should be like the last option right? You only do it when no other move seems to be properly serving the same purpose.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:09 pm
by SoDesuNe
Unusedname wrote:You only do it when no other move seems to be properly serving the same purpose.
Let this stand by itself and you know a lot more about Go than you might expect ; )
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:33 pm
by Unusedname
SoDesuNe wrote:Unusedname wrote:You only do it when no other move seems to be properly serving the same purpose.
Let this stand by itself and you know a lot more about Go than you might expect ; )
Haha well of course that's the easy part.
The hard part is when there are no apparent good moves, how can you play to create more good moves.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:56 pm
by Unusedname
two losses
Destroying my own groups
Examples of extending from thickness being wrong.
attacking before defending.
Trying to juggle too many groups.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:01 pm
by Unusedname
two wins
many split attacks
my opponent trying to juggle too many groups
thickness I couldn't extend from
and I wasn't sure how to use
Using large knight to start a fight.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:28 pm
by EdLee
Unusedname wrote:this one too is strange to me, I was sure you should always extend from thickness.
Unusedname wrote:I don't ALWAYS extend.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:57 pm
by Unusedname
hmmm i suppose i'm not fully aware of how i play :]
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:33 pm
by Unusedname
Game bumped me to 3kyu
cross fuseki
lots of fighting
Missed killing opponent's group
Opponent missed killing mine
Alright I think I'm about 2-3kyu
I think there are three paths I have to 1dan
1. Opening. I know everyone says this is their weakness, but previous reviews and current reviews in this thread tell me I'm doing the opening wrong. I'm being too slow and small instead of finding big points.
2. Being aware of Big points and respecting which moves are more important
3. Being aware of potential. When I see groups I now see weak and strong but I do not see where they will grow or how they can grow until I'm actually making the move.
4. Awareness of what my opponent's good moves are. Right now I only think of what my good moves are but I suppose I should also think what my opponent is thinking.
5. Reading the book Tesuji. I skimmed it but never gave it the time it deserved.
Each of these things I believe can raise me a stone in strength, so 1dan is not an intangible goal.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:27 pm
by Unusedname
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ta da!!
the shape!
the tiger mouth would have looked very awkward
So I suppose this move is better when you can't make a second tiger mouth?
And it moves a little faster outwards.
Idk i'll see if i can find other examples.
The diagonal seems like it actually is just a substitute when the one point jump doesn't work.
it's just too slow to be an every purpose move.
Also it's good when you don't want to commit in one direction (example commit to attacking only one group.)
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:12 am
by lovelove
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ta da!!
the shape!
the tiger mouth would have looked very awkward
So I suppose this move is better when you can't make a second tiger mouth?
And it moves a little faster outwards.
Idk i'll see if i can find other examples.
The diagonal seems like it actually is just a substitute when the one point jump doesn't work.
it's just too slow to be an every purpose move.
Also it's good when you don't want to commit in one direction (example commit to attacking only one group.)
Don't think too much about shape, and believe more of your self-reading. Blind faith in shape does make bad habits.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:07 pm
by Unusedname
Played a few quick games.
lost 3 won 1
the one i won was through luck because he didn't read
two I lost I got lazy and didn't read, but it was looking bad anyways
one I lost for the same reason but i think i was going to win that one.
seems all a 4kyu needs to promote is not get lazy in the middle of a game.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:13 am
by Unusedname
This happened in game.
I didn't notice it at the time but the bulge point gave me broken keima.
I would have liked the sealed in version a lot better.
I'm mad because I notice a lot of things I could have done when I'm reviewing a game.
I suppose that means I'm being too thoughtless when I play. I spend a lot of time thinking but I'm not thinking about things that matter...
this game had a lot of examples of
http://senseis.xmp.net/?OneTwoThree
two times I did it right
two times I did it wrong like in this example with the bulge point.
I forced W to play the move he wanted to play.
Re: Games I played and stuff
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:14 am
by SoDesuNe
A couple of my kyu-ish comments : )