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Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:10 am
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm171 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X 8 . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . . . . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:21 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm171 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . 9 O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . . . . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll have to ask the stronger folks on here later if this is the right endgame play on this board. It seems like there are only a few options, and it feels big to me. I'm not know for very aalytical play, though. ;)

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:34 am
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm171 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . . . . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . 0 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:14 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . . . . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X 1 . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd like to keep White's gains here to a minimum.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:47 am
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . . 2 . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:32 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . 3 O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:48 am
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . . . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . 4 , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:54 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O . 5 . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This makes the most sense to me right now. After this, it's all about cleaning up the edges of our territories. Will have to make sure the center White group is as small as it can be.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:26 pm
by iseijin
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[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O 6 X . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . . . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:34 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O O X . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . 7 . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is kind of nice, and now we're at a point where the game is mostly decided, I think. I'm going to try and examine the board later tonight and see if I can work out the value of various endgame plays from here. Also, I intend to do another count of the game to see where we're at.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:06 pm
by iseijin
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O O X . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . X . X . . X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . 8 . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:30 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O O X . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . X . X . 9 X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . O . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered tenuki here, but there's nothing on the board that's very big, and ignoring here allows him to push into my territory thanks to some aji from his dead stone at K16. Better to play solid here.

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:01 pm
by iseijin
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm181 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X 0 X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O O X . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . X . X . X X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . O . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:37 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm191 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . 1 X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X O X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O O X . . . O X O . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . X . X . X X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . O . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't have much to say here. Just need to watch the cuts ...

Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:57 pm
by iseijin
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm191 :b3: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X X . . . X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X O X O O O O . |
$$ | O . O O O X . . . O X O 2 . X X X O . |
$$ | O O X . X . X . X X X . O O . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . O . . . O X O O X . . |
$$ | X X . . . O O O . O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X X . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O X X X X X . . X . O X . |
$$ | . X O . O O . O O . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . X O O O X O X X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | X O O X X X X O O . O X . X O . O X X |
$$ | . X X , . . . X O O . X . . O , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X O O X X . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X X . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]