I thought I had a strategic for my moves; it just turns out it was the wrong one.
What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
I thought I had a strategic for my moves; it just turns out it was the wrong one.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
This one showed up in TsumegoPro a couple of weeks ago, and I enjoyed it so much that I saved it to post here later. I know the answer now, but finding it originally was difficult. And some of the refutations of wrong moves aren't so easy, either.
It should be fairly obvious which two points Black wants to make into eyes, but what's the right sequence of moves to do it? Just finding
wasn't enough.
It should be fairly obvious which two points Black wants to make into eyes, but what's the right sequence of moves to do it? Just finding
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
I found this set of problems recently
https://denisfeldmann.fr/bestiary.htm#p1
if you liked that, you might like the shrine problem there
https://denisfeldmann.fr/bestiary.htm#p1
if you liked that, you might like the shrine problem there
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
This is a fairly well known shape for us problem solvers but indeed, when it comes up in a game, I'm not sure I can find it. Its presentation as a "solvable problem" is already changing the mindset.
For anyone who is not familiar with the under the stones concept, this may be almost unsolvable.
For anyone who is not familiar with the under the stones concept, this may be almost unsolvable.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
When that problem appeared, it was one of the hard problems. Amazingly, an almost identical problem appeared in today's set, only in the medium problems. This time I knew how to solve it. 
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
I think it's time to post another game. I won, which was a pleasant surprise since every time I tried to count I got the impression I was behind. (Considering that I had White and won by less than komi, I probably did have less territory on the board every time I tried to count.)
More importantly, this looks to me like another of those games where my attempt to deal with my opponent's big moyo resulted in my getting weak groups, while my opponent had no difficulty finding the weak points in my moyo. Specifically, D7 was a problem even though the group lived, and I thought I got a bad result out of the O17 approach. After
, I seemed to be particularly behind. But as we saw from the previous game I posted, if I don't do anything, Black is going to get a big moyo anyway.
Black probably should have been able to kill the center invasion, and probably should have been able to kill the big group at the top, either of which would have led to a big loss for me.
More importantly, this looks to me like another of those games where my attempt to deal with my opponent's big moyo resulted in my getting weak groups, while my opponent had no difficulty finding the weak points in my moyo. Specifically, D7 was a problem even though the group lived, and I thought I got a bad result out of the O17 approach. After
Black probably should have been able to kill the center invasion, and probably should have been able to kill the big group at the top, either of which would have led to a big loss for me.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
The result after the upper right approach is extremely good for you. I dream of getting results like that. But making the tiger's mouth after the joseki was really bad.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
Let's look at the points after
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
Why is it bad? I'm keeping all of my stones connected. If I don't play there, Black will and won't I have to sacrifice something?
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
Cutting there and invading the corner are miai. If black cuts, you take the 3-3. If Black defends 3-3, the cut is no longer large, so you will let him take a stone or two.
edit. I guess miai is the wrong word. Basically, the original approach stone is light.
edit. I guess miai is the wrong word. Basically, the original approach stone is light.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
Thinking about dfan's comments, one of the things I know I have trouble with is understanding joseki. I know you're not just supposed to memorize joseki, you're supposed to know why the moves are good. And that's where I struggle. Figuring out which joseki to choose to go well with the other corners of the board is one of those things that feels like an utter mystery to me most of the time.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
Fedya wrote:Thinking about dfan's comments, one of the things I know I have trouble with is understanding joseki. I know you're not just supposed to memorize joseki, you're supposed to know why the moves are good. And that's where I struggle. Figuring out which joseki to choose to go well with the other corners of the board is one of those things that feels like an utter mystery to me most of the time.
It's mostly a mystery to me, too. I know very few joseki by heart, so there are often situations where I just have to guess at appropriate corner moves. It was freeing when I realized that I could just guess at the right moves. Sure, sometimes it ends in utter failure, but I learn a lot each time.
While I don't think that Robert Jasiek's book Easy Learning: Joseki actually makes learning joseki easy, it is a good way to start thinking about the purpose behind joseki moves. If you take a look at that book, I would focus on the content more than the problems; I found their difficulty very uneven.
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Re: What do I have to do just to get to 5k?
The O-17 approach was questionable. You should have played a wedge instead.Fedya wrote:I think it's time to post another game. I won, which was a pleasant surprise since every time I tried to count I got the impression I was behind. (Considering that I had White and won by less than komi, I probably did have less territory on the board every time I tried to count.)
More importantly, this looks to me like another of those games where my attempt to deal with my opponent's big moyo resulted in my getting weak groups, while my opponent had no difficulty finding the weak points in my moyo. Specifically, D7 was a problem even though the group lived, and I thought I got a bad result out of the O17 approach.
Congratulations on your win, BTW.
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