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Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:44 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
topazg wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:So white has little choice but to walk into the hane at the head of two stones:

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[go]$$Wcm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O 3 4 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is not pleasant for white to fight like this, but all other options involve delaying the fight and getting closer to the power of the black shimari up top.


Hmmm, I don't believe this for a second. I've never seen a pro play like this, particularly with those stones in the top left. Perhaps a contact in the top left?:

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[go]$$Wcm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll agree that we don't see pros play like this, but then we seldom see pros put into a position like this. I'm not saying that letting the opponent hane at the head of two stones is good, merely that it is the best of a bunch of bad alternatives. Black tenukied and thus has the extra move there.

It is precisely moves like :b45: that white does not want to encourage. He wants to do as much of the fighting as possible in the shadow of his own stones in the lower left, and as little fighting as possible in the shadow of the black stones in the upper left.
Only when he is assured of eyes, or when his group is in some other manner stonger than the black shimari, will he want to move northward.

Right now, white is stronger on the lower left with his six+ stone group than black is in the upper left with his two stone group. If white can get in a fight in which both the nacent groups on the mid-left-side become big, white's mid-left group will menace black's corner before black's mid-left group bothers white's corner.

Consider the slighty schematicized diagram below, in which both white and black get stronger - represented by squared stones.

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[go]$$Wcm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . b . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . @ @ @ @ . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . @ O 3 4 # # # . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . # 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . # . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . c . O . 1 O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . d . O . B . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O B B . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black has to worry about white stones at 'a' or 'b'. But because the circled black stones are dead, white never has concerns about the health of his corner. He can reduce at 'c', white blocks with 'd', and the rest there is yose. Eventually black will have to protect his shimari, whereas white will not have to do anything to help his lower left group.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:00 pm
by dfan
This seems like another good time to ask people which side they'd rather be playing.

So: which side would you rather be playing?

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:06 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
dfan wrote:This seems like another good time to ask people which side they'd rather be playing.

So: which side would you rather be playing?


I have white ahead by about 10 point plus komi, if any. ( BTW, Dfan, is there a komi? And, if so, how much? )

My gut feel is that black's attack is worth about 10 points. That makes them even on the board. If there is no komi, I'm indifferent. If there is a komi, I'd prefer white.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:36 pm
by Chew Terr
dfan wrote:This seems like another good time to ask people which side they'd rather be playing.

So: which side would you rather be playing?


I'd take black, if only because more of the moves he (or she) has made are the ones I would. Which doesn't mean he's ahead, but probably that I would do better from his side of the board from here on.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:00 pm
by Magicwand
dfan wrote:This seems like another good time to ask people which side they'd rather be playing.

So: which side would you rather be playing?


white is better.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:52 pm
by dfan
Joaz Banbeck wrote:( BTW, Dfan, is there a komi? And, if so, how much? )

There is a komi (you could probably guess that by the fact White started with two 3-3s) but I'm not actually sure how big it is! If we get near the end of the game and it looks like it'll matter I'll figure out exactly what it is.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:36 am
by dfan
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[go]$$Wcm42 ACTUAL GAME: Move 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Interestingly, the commentary says " :w42: may be a little heavy", and suggests as an alternative the keima jump that Joaz discarded, but gives this continuation rather than his:
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[go]$$Wc VARIATION
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:03 am
by mitsun
dfan wrote:This seems like another good time to ask people which side they'd rather be playing. So: which side would you rather be playing?
I would take W, not because I can count territory, but because it feels like W gained from the exchange on the bottom. W converted potential B territory into secure W territory, while B only got an extra (admittedly large) move from the ladder-breaker.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:26 pm
by dfan
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[go]$$Bcm43 ACTUAL GAME: Move 43
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I guess this move was too obvious for anyone to bother predicting it. But these are good opportunities for kyu players (like me) to make predictions :)

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:17 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
dfan wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm43 ACTUAL GAME: Move 43
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I guess this move was too obvious for anyone to bother predicting it. ...)


I did:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:...

So white has little choice but to walk into the hane at the head of two stones:

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[go]$$Wcm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O 3 4 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...



My prediction for white's next:

White wants to keep the fight closer to his strngth to the south. So he hanes. Top or bottom. I'm not sure which is better, and too lazy to read it out.


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[go]$$Bcm43
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . b X X t . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:38 pm
by Chew Terr
Joaz Banbeck wrote:White wants to keep the fight closer to his strngth to the south. So he hanes. Top or bottom. I'm not sure which is better, and too lazy to read it out.


Since, as our host said, even kyu players may as well guess, I'm calling top. It's what I'd do, I think.

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:55 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Quick instinct prediction:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:17 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Dusk Eagle wrote:Quick instinct prediction:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Cutting is an interesting proposition. The first 10 moves are forced:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 2 5 7 9 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 8 0 . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...then it gets weird. White cannot play the natural block at :w1: below because he gets laddered.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X 6 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X X X 5 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X 3 4 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O 2 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But he will get laddered if he doesn't do something.

It is amazingly difficult to find a good move for white now. Some look like this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . 6 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O 1 4 . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X 2 3 . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X 5 . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...and this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 X X X 4 . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . 6 O 2 O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O 3 X 5 O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are lots more variations than I can read or show, but overall, it seems that the cut is not good for white. :o

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:24 am
by Chew Terr
Joaz Banbeck wrote:There are lots more variations than I can read or show, but overall, it seems that the cut is not good for white. :o


It's sad that I read it for 10 seconds, and thought 'Ah, there's no cut because there's a net'. Sadly, I entirely missed the fact that B7 is an atari that messes that up.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Whoops!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 5 2 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Prokovich game

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:41 pm
by dfan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm44 ACTUAL GAME: Move 44
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O X . . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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