27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun May 30, 2010 3:50 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm154 Moves 154 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O 1 . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Sun May 30, 2010 4:21 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm155 Moves 155 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Tactics and Variations

Fails for white.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 7 | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 3 | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X 2 1 5 | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 4 6 | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X 8 . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This leads to a ko.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 3 | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X 2 1 6 | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 4 5 | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Back to the move I made:

This isn't much of a reducing move, but I secure some territory as well.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm155 Moves 155 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . 0 9 . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 8 7 5 . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . 6 O 3 X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . 1 2 . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . 4 X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is a bit better for black, I think. I can reinforce myself with a series of forcing/squeezing moves.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm155 Moves 155 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . 5 O 3 X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . 8 1 2 . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . 0 4 X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun May 30, 2010 4:42 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm156 Moves 156 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . 1 X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Tactics and Variations

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Sun May 30, 2010 7:04 pm

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Sun May 30, 2010 9:29 pm

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Sun May 30, 2010 10:24 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm157 Moves 157 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . 1 . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tactics and Variations

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon May 31, 2010 1:15 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm158 Moves 158 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . 1 X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

I'm going to count soon, but I'm pretty sure I'm slightly over 10 points ahead, so securing everything is good enough. I'm trying very hard to learn how to "win a won game", and this seems as good a way to do it as anything.

In the diagram below, "a" concerns me slightly, though I now have the shape to happily play "b" I think. "c", "d", and "e" are my remaining moves that I really want, in that order.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm158 Moves 158 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X d O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . b . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X e O . . . X . 1 X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X c | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tactics and Variations

If he plays the sequence I previously predicted, I'll take all my sente in the lower right before settling the top, as follows:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm158 Moves 158-167 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . 5 O 4 X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . 1 X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 9 | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 7 | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . 8 | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 0 . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm168 Moves 168-170 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . . X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . O O X X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . 2 . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . 1 | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . X | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . X . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Score and Counting

And if so, I make the score as follows:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm168 Moves 168-170 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | y O X y O X y y y y y W B x x x x x x | $$ | y O O X O X O O y y W O B X x X x x x | $$ | y O X X y X O X X y O X x O X x X x x | $$ | y O O X X O y O y y W B X x O X x x x | $$ | X O X O y O y O y y y O O X X x x x x | $$ | y X X O y O O y y y y y . . x x X x x | $$ | y y X O y y y y y y y y O . X x x x x | $$ | X y X X X O y y y y y y y O X x x x x | $$ | y X y y O . W y y y y O y O O X X x x | $$ | O X O X O B . . y y y y y O X B . X B | $$ | X O O y O X . O y y y X y O X W X . O | $$ | y X O O . . . . . y y y y O O O X . W | $$ | y O y . . X . . O X y X y y X y . . . | $$ | y y O O X x x . O O O O W O W O O O O | $$ | y O X X x X x X X X X X O B B O X X O | $$ | O O X x x x x X O X O O X X X X x x X | $$ | O X x x x X X O O X O X O O . X x X x | $$ | X X x x X X O O y O O X W W O X x x x | $$ | x x x x X O O y y y y W B B B B x x x | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black: 10 points lower right, 17 points lower left, 40 points upper right, 1 prisoner, 70 points komi = 139 points
White: 9 points lower middle, 70 points upper left, 18 points upper middle, 51 points middle = 148 points.

I might save those top stones instead at move 170, but it looks ok for now.

SoDesuNe · Post by **SoDesuNe** » Mon May 31, 2010 1:20 am

Aphelion wrote:
White is just looking for the quickest way to end the game...Black should resign. I think a komi of this level is absurd though, seems to lead to more passive play than if say it were a 5 or 6 stone game. As a learning experience a normal handicap game is probably superior.

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon May 31, 2010 1:37 am

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Mon May 31, 2010 2:09 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 Moves 159-161 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Tactics and Variations

A sequence like this is almost forced:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O 4 X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 3 O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , 1 2 X 5 O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This sequence is great for white/

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O 3 . . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X 1 O X X . X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O 4 2 X O X X . X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something like this doesn't work out well either.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X 1 O X X . X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . . X O X X . X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . 2 O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . 3 4 5 . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . 6 7 . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tactics and Variations Part 2

Tactics and Variations Part 3

Trying something entirely different: this starts a ladder (there are other variations on this theme that end similarly).

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O 1 3 O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . 2 O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But, of course, white can just block down the other way, and all I manage to do is hook up with a weak group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm158 Moves 159 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 6 4 . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O 5 3 O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . 7 O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tactics and Variations Part 4

This sequence doesn't gain me much at all

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . 2 . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X 1 O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . 3 4 . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Likewise this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O 8 . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O 7 6 3 . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X 4 O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . 9 5 1 2 . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tactics and Variations Part 5

If I look for more orthodox double sente moves on the board, I do find this.

Since this needs to be played eventually anyway, and white can't ignore it to take sente because it allows me to kill a huge chunk of his bottom group, I'll go ahead and make this move now and then think some more about where to try and steal some points from white.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 4 . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If white ignores sente and lets me move again, I threaten something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 3 X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 1 5 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 6 . 7 2 4 O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way kills white's entire bottom group:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 3 X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 1 . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 5 . 4 2 . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is probably the best response if white ignores me to take sente, since this is gote for black, but this is worth something like 14+ points vs. just defending and taking gote.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 5 X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 1 . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 2 . 4 3 . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon May 31, 2010 2:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm162 Move 162 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 1 . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

Tactics and Variations

The kicker is the first move I think (5 responses in White):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X e d O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 c b a . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 A $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 5 X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 3 O X 4 . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 B $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 5 X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 3 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 4 2 . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 C $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 3 X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 4 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . 6 . 1 2 7 5 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 D $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 2 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 4 3 5 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm159 E $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O a X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 2 6 O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 4 1 5 3 7 . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And as "E" seems to give me the best result, it's the one I had expected. I could play 162 at 163 for a ko, but he can capture at "a" and it seems a bit pointless when I can just force him to connect and take sente. Actually, having said that, I guess it's not much difference to what's going to happen anyway, but the ko is much less valuable now, I'll ignore the atari and the first capture to take the bigger moves elsewhere.

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Mon May 31, 2010 11:37 pm

Sorry, still working through it. But just to post what I'm thinking right now:

Counting and Scoring

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . w . b b . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . w O b X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X b O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , w w X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . w . b . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . w . b . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . w . b . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O w . O b X . . | $$ | O X O X O w w . . , . . . O X b . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X b X b b | $$ | . X O O . . . . w . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . w . X . . O X . X . . X w . . . | $$ | . . O O X b b b O O O O w O w O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . b | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black has 66 points that I count. Plus komi of 70 points = 136 points. Plus one capture = 137 points.

White has 12 points on the bottom. + 29 dead stones on the board (so 58 points there). + 2 captured stones + 74 points of territory on the left/center (I could be off by 2, but I think that's right). = 146 points.

So currently losing by 9 points. But I have sente. So I need to make my sente worth 9 points.

Tactics and Variations

Looking for sente moves I can make before committing to reducing white's moyo somehow.

This was my first thought, but it leads to a snapback. I want to make something in this area, in sente, to prevent white's monkey jump. I'll need to think on it some more.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 8 9 X 6 . 1 . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 7 O 3 O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 5 4 O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something like this doesn't work either.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 3 . X . 8 1 . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 4 O 5 O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:07 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . 1 . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sorry for the delay again. No good excuse, I'm just lazy

Strategy and Thoughts

I think the game is just about lost. We'll see how he responds. If I can't keep sente and reduce him some, I'm probably screwed.

The moves below were my considerations. If it was a bit closer I'd choose 'b' or 'c', but as it is I think I need to play an invasion or resign. 'b' is a nice reducing move, and 'c' prevents a monkey jump. 'a' is exactly what it seems to be: a desperate attempt to make some aji in side white's moyo that I can maybe exploit later on. I'm not sure how white will respond. I chose 'a' because it makes shape for the 3 black stones.

No diagrams this time. I read through a few variations but they branch faster than I can keep up so this is purely a "make good shape for good shape's sake" move. Question to more experienced players: is this still good shape for black with white's stone L6 peeping in?

If I don't like how white responds I'll just ignore it and move elsewhere. I should be able to do 'b' as a forcing move and then take 'c'.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm162 Move 162 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . a . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . c . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:25 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm164 Move 164 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X 1 O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

Ok, I'm not having that. That's still a dead group with no eyes - ok, maybe 1 gote eye, but it's dead, so I'm not going to respond locally. However, it does up the aji a bit, so I need to assess the following:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm164 Move 164 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . c . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X 1 O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . b b X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X a . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

"a" threatens to cut stuff off. "b" threatens to cut stuff off. "c" threatens to live inside. Variations in the black box.

Tactics and Variations

I'm fairly sure that none of the above work, and I wanted to take all my sente in the lower right corner and then monkey jump up the right hand side for lots of reductiony points. If that worked for me, and I was right that none of the above were effective, the game would be completely over. However, I'm ahead, and this is an endgame move I want anyway. So, what could he have done / still do?

A

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . 5 X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 1 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 3 O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 4 . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This looks really bad for White. I don't think I can let him cut here without serious dangers to my health. So, instead, I block the other side:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . 8 . X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X a X 1 3 X 4 . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 2 O 5 O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now the extra liberty is very useful, although I may play 172 at "a". What about "b"?

B

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . 2 1 X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 3 . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 4 O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This now reverts to the previous diagrams, as it is aiming at the same bad aji. Again, as long as I block at 168 I'm ok. The other "b"?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . 3 . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O a . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . 1 2 X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Also aiming at the same cut (with "a") as the previous variations, this one has some tricksy local followups too. I was already wondering how much I'd have to be careful if he attached on top of my stone here, so this kind of position has increased its threat value. I can't see anything that obviously works, but that middle is a lot of points for me, and I don't want him taking them away. There's a lesson in winning won games somewhere. Adding the stone I just played kills that aji completely. What about "c"?

C

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . 1 . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well, he obviously wants life, but there aren't two eyes there to make. I'm not going to go into the myriad of possible variations, but the amount of thickness I have outside means that there are plenty of pushes, cuts, eye-steals and peeps. I may try to keep him down to 0 eyes, but the fact I don't have to makes the kill very likely I think.

So, I can't see anything in any of these, and instead I've chosen to play here to get my sente ball rolling. If he connects solidly, I tenuki:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . 9 . | $$ | X O O . O X W O . . . X . O X . X . 8 | $$ | . X O O . 1 . . . X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 6 | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 2 | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . 3 4 | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . 5 | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 7 . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Otherwise, if he tries to keep the aji up with a hane, force him to connect first. I could play as follows to patch up the aji completely, but it's gote, and I think he has nothing to work with here now:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O 2 . . . , . . . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X W O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . 3 1 4 . X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:41 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm165 Move 165 - W: 2, B: 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . | $$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . | $$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . | $$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . | $$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . | $$ | O X O X O . . . . , . 1 . O X , . . . | $$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . | $$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . | $$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . | $$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . | $$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . | $$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

Life In 19x19

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Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)

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