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Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:53 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured: :w2: :b3:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 7 O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Letting him hane is deadly, so I can neither tenuki nor hane myself.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:32 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured: :w2: :b3:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 8 O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:34 am
by Kirby
I think that, even if Joaz passively encloses with G8, Black is a little bit behind. The central area is just too huge.


Edit...
Well, unless black cuts off white's two stones at F5 and G3, somehow...

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:04 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I though that the following was better for black.

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured: :w2: :b3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . 9 O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 8 X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 0 . O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


It encloses more space, and does not allow my dying stone at K3 to cause trouble with a hane. The down side is that it allows a secure connection. MHO must realize this, therefore I conclude that he must be planning to cut through near where :w99: would be.

( Actually, even after :w99:, the connection still can be broken, but it probably costs black too much to do it. )

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . O O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 O . X X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 1 3 . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 O . X . O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . 9 . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . 8 5 X . . O O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 1 O O . X X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . 7 3 X O X X . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X O . X . O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Anyway, my goal is to maintain the connection in sente. If it has to be in gote, I might as well tenuki to some big endgame plays or just seal the center.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:12 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured: :w2: :b3:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

There are two big plays on the board, and two medium-sized ones.

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured: :w2: :b3:
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$$ | . . . X ? ? ? . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . ? . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . ? O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O ? ? X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . ? O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ? . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


The upper left is a double sente worth about 15 points.

The lower right ( S2 by white lives! ) is big...it is hard to count...maybe 25-30 points to the first player. It is dual gote.

The lower left - connecting or disconnecting my stones - is also around 25-30 points, and also gote for both.

The middle - where I played - is worth maybe 20 points...but is also hard to count. It is hard to say if it is sente or gote when I play it. The PITA is that it is big sente for him.

If he plays 1 as below, and I do not respond, 3 hurts as he rips his way into the center:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . 4 5 . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 3 O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


So, I really have to take the big middle play which looks rather passive. But it puts me about 20 to 25 points up with yose looming.
I'll allow him either one of the big lower side plays. They are both gote so if he takes one, I'll take the other and I'm still 20-25 up. He then takes the 15 point sente play in the upper left. I'm 5-10 points up.
At that point, the temperature has dropped enough that my most recent move in the center is sente. He defends, and I'm ahead going into yose with sente.

That is the plan. There is enough room in it for several serious misreads and at least one mid-sized hallucination, so I won't declare this a win just yet. But I think that the odds favor me.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:51 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X 0 . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

I really don't think there's a way to come back, score-wise. I counted, and it doesn't look good. I'm going to make one last attempt at violence by pushing and cutting here, then resign if I don't like what I see.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:13 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Wcm101
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Triggers:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 2 . 3 O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . 3 . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . 2 O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . 2 . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . 3 O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . 2 O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . O 3 X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This can get tricky, and there are many sequences in which I am a stone away from disaster, but I belive that I read it out properly before I played :w99:. Either I am wrong and he discovered something vicious, or he is getting desperate. If I have misread, at worst I still have the ko at N6/N7.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:36 am
by Chew Terr
I resign. Playing further would be silly. You're too far ahead, and you've gotten into your head the silly notion that you'd like to keep all of your points. Thank you very much for the game. Sorry my play wasn't good enough to give you as good a game as I'd have liked.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:58 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Chew Terr wrote:I resign...


@Terr: Thanks for the game. I feel like I got away with easy plays near the end, as if you were really distracted by something. I was way behind after about 20 moves.

@Topazg, MW, Ed, Loons, and others: Thanks for the comments. I must go back and read them at some length.

@Violence:
Violence wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Joaz's sequences range from decent to normal to completely insane?

Sometime we must find out if you can play well enough to back up comments like that. :)

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:02 am
by Chew Terr
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Terr: Thanks for the game. I feel like I got away with easy plays near the end, as if you were really distracted by something. I was way behind after about 20 moves.


Thanks. I'm working through the game's comments now, which I've been eager to do for a while. Yeah, there was some life stuff interfering, but that's hardly a valid complaint in a game with no time limits. If I were using my time properly, I would take time on each move, regardless of stress level. Thanks again! I'll let you know if I have any questions on your comments.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:51 am
by yoyoma
Joaz Banbeck wrote:If he is going to go territory grabbing, he should have played the dual sente move at G11 first, then grabbed the corner:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . 2 . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]




Double sente? But when white played in that area black tenukied! So I think it is only Black's sente. It's not clear Black should use it though because it eliminates the possibility of saving the stones outright. So Black moving there could be aji-keshi.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:55 am
by yoyoma
Joaz Banbeck wrote:There are two big plays on the board, and two medium-sized ones.

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners captured: :w2: :b3:
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$$ | . . . . ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X ? ? ? . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X . X . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . O O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . ? . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . ? O O O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O ? ? X X . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . ? O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ? . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


The upper left is a double sente worth about 15 points.

The lower right ( S2 by white lives! ) is big...it is hard to count...maybe 25-30 points to the first player. It is dual gote.

The lower left - connecting or disconnecting my stones - is also around 25-30 points, and also gote for both.

The middle - where I played - is worth maybe 20 points...but is also hard to count. It is hard to say if it is sente or gote when I play it. The PITA is that it is big sente for him.


Another strange comment about double sente. If the upper left is really double sente, then white should play there in sente, and then play in the middle next, in order to get both.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:04 am
by yoyoma
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners captured:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O . O O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . a O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . b . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Will you play 'b' on this board? Probably you would think it's too deep. What if I told you there was a 5 point bonus if you could prevent 'a' from being white's territory? Oh a 5 point bribe isn't enough?

The 5 stones in the 'a' area are garbage stones, and as garbage stones should have very little effect on where you choose to play next.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:08 am
by Kirby
Good game, guys.

I also had the impression that Chew was distracted toward the end of the game.

Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:34 am
by topazg
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Topazg, MW, Ed, Loons, and others: Thanks for the comments. I must go back and read them at some length.


I'm sorry, I didn't offer many useful comments - good game to you both though!

Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Violence:
Violence wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Joaz's sequences range from decent to normal to completely insane?

Sometime we must find out if you can play well enough to back up comments like that. :)


2-0 against magicwand in even Malkovich games is pretty good evidence I'd have thought ;)

That said, I'd love to see you play him too!
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